Can we broaden the context of science?

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The discussion explores the contrasting models of nature presented by the English and Chinese languages, emphasizing how English grammar leads to a divided understanding of science and religion, while Chinese grammar supports a unified model known as the Dao. Participants debate whether there is value in broadening the context of science to include holistic perspectives like the Dao, suggesting that such an approach could reconcile the apparent incompatibility between science and religion. Some argue that science and religion are fundamentally different in their epistemologies, with science being empirical and religion often revealed. The conversation highlights the potential for a greater understanding of nature by examining various cultural models, while acknowledging the challenges of unifying these distinct frameworks. Ultimately, the thread suggests that exploring these relationships may yield insights into the nature of belief and understanding across cultures.
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Science would have been my choice for a lifetime, if it had not been so limiting. Today I look at where science stands, out there on the edges of infinity, and there they are laughing and flying paper airplanes, barbequing the ionosphere, covering up the abuses of their employers, and creating a perpetual motion machine, that barely fixes (on a continuing basis), the gross errors caused by inborn flaws of the guiding logic of the whole process. Here are some examples of what I mean.

Use of the scientific method to allow highly mutagenic substances to enter the biosphere, for profit=Cancer and illness=Cancer research to find highly toxic substances to cure the Cancer, caused by ethical failures in the Scientific and Corporate culture. The big donators to cancer research get big tax breaks for these donations, they look great, a great example of this whole dynamic would be Huntsman Chemical/Huntsman Cancer Research.

There are all kinds of scientists, but scientists all work for someone, who bankrolls their research. Most often the entity that stands to profit the most, funds the research, or buys the results of research, for whatever use they choose; even if it is to own patents and shelve them.

If you break down our budget you will see that we are a society driven by fear(defense), and profit motive(defense). Then there are the other big motivators social fear(the cosmetics and fashion industry), fear fear(the religious industry), and release from fear(the drug industry). If we as a society were all about inquisitiveness, or joy, or peace, or continuity; we would look at the nature of things in an entirely different way.

Each of us may feel as if we aren't fearful, or we aren't greedy, we are free citizens of the western world. The larger entities that we serve, are all these things, because it is profit they fear for . So without some universal vision, like the Dao, that drives Daoists, not necessarily all Chines people we are just victims of the weakest impulses of society at large. You see we are not a democracy, we are a republic. So we are governed by the haves, and the haves weren't content with their portion of the all, they had to have more. This sort of value system is inherently out of line with the reality of the chemical reaction that is life on this planet.

Life happened because of a minimal opportunity for it to happen. Then it proceeded in the most minute of gains, over a very long period of time. This was all very delicately balanced, minimimalist on a grand scale. The human genome project established that within the last 50,000 years, the human population was at some point ~2,500 individuals. Things come up, in this world, unexpected things, that abruptly change everything.

The Dao of this is nothing. Whatever happened, happened. We may have not lost our appreciation for the natural scheme of things, but there is definitely no way for ungovernable corporate entities, to be in that perfect moment, in such a way that they behave well. Their appreciation of the Dao comes in the quarterly dividend, in the profit and loss statement, this overrides any and all other considerations. All those charities and other niceties that they indulge in, are just helping with the bottom line. If these gifts interfered with the bottom line in any way, they would not exist.

Here is an example. My 16 year old daughter was offered a job at the University Of Utah, for the summer. She would make some money, and get a good job reference. The reality is that those jobs were available, if her father were able to donate $1,000 to the University. Now a poor kid, would not be able to get a job, if his father could not donate, and the father that donates, gets a $1,000 tax break for his donation, and the money comes right back to his child. He didn't donate, nor did he pay her the money she couldn't make. This is inherently out of balance, we are terribly out of balance as a society, in terms of the Dao.

I assure you that if the Dao gets in the way of this system, this system will kick its ... and continue right on down the sidewalk. At least for now. Time wounds all heels, that beat on this sidewalk, however. As long as we are dominated by negative possibilities, we won't be in the positive range for more than a few minutes on payday. We are apparently all about the Dow, 'round here, vs the Dao, and it is a pity. I have to say, though, that even the poorest farmers in this Dowist society, are a million miles ahead of the Daoist Chinese farmers, who seem to victims of slow genocide. These values need to mesh, somewhere so that the huge wave that describes the wealthiest and the poorest, flattens out somewhat takes on a higher frequency, and moves more toward the spectrum of light, rather than the gigantic ELF curve it is. This big wave of our disparity, translates to a very sad note in a long sad song.
 
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