Can We Create Winged Kids Safely?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of creating winged children through genetic engineering, inspired by the fictional Maximum Ride series. Participants explore the implications of such modifications on human physiology, development, and the potential challenges involved in achieving flight in a real-world context.

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  • Some participants suggest that with advanced genetic engineering, it might be possible to create winged children.
  • Concerns are raised about the additional physiological demands that wings would impose, such as increased brain function, metabolic requirements, and structural adaptations.
  • One participant argues that the structural requirements for flight are extreme, implying that a human capable of flight would not resemble a typical human.
  • Another participant emphasizes the necessity of modifying DNA at the fertilized egg stage to achieve such changes, as post-birth modifications would be ineffective.
  • There is a discussion about the limitations of genetic modifications, comparing DNA to baking instructions, suggesting that simply adding a "wing gene" would not suffice without the appropriate biological context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and implications of creating winged children. While some believe it could be possible, others highlight significant biological challenges and limitations, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of human physiology and the potential for harmful effects from genetic modifications, as well as the need for a comprehensive understanding of developmental biology to consider such changes.

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I've read the Maximum Ride series(great series, by the way). In the series, these kids are taken from there mothers at birth, are taken to a laboratory, and are crossed with bird DNA to give them wings. Do you think it would be possible in real life to produce winged kids, without giving them traits that could be harmful or unwanted such as weird diets or features?
 
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With sufficiently advanced genetic engineering technology and knowledge, sure.
 
Think about it. Would extra mass require more brain (for control)?, more liver function? kidney? gut? stomach? stronger legs? stronger spine? You don't weld wings on a car and then take off into the wild blue yonder. ANy additional metabolic demand will have to be met. You will need extra energy (so have to eat more), you will need more blood (so your heart will work harder). Its a safe bet that our design is a compromise and while may be somewhere close to an optimum (for a diverse set of environments and needs) it is unlikely that we could make a major change to our physiology without all sorts of harmful effects. The argument is similar to the one about mutations. There are three possible types of single point mutation: neutral, negative, and positive. The chances of a mutation being positive is probably a million times smaller than it being negative. How many birds our size do you know of?
 
Well, certain flying animals got more massive than humans. However, I don't think a human capable of flight in 1 gee would look much like a human anymore. The structural requirements of flight are extreme, to put it mildly.
 
megamind said:
I've read the Maximum Ride series(great series, by the way). In the series, these kids are taken from there mothers at birth, are taken to a laboratory, and are crossed with bird DNA to give them wings. Do you think it would be possible in real life to produce winged kids, without giving them traits that could be harmful or unwanted such as weird diets or features?

Your DNA affects the structure of your body while you are developing before birth. So after you are born, it is too late to make the kind of body changes you are talking about (adding wings). You would need to modify the DNA at the fertilized egg stage before the body started developing.
 
Is it possible? Sure, though as abitslow said, anything that flies in a 1 g, 100 kPa environment isn't going to look anything like a human being.

The thing is, saying that it's possible that such a thing could happen when there's no hard "due date" save the heat death of the universe isn't the same thing as saying we could do it.

DNA isn't so much like blueprints as it is like baking instructions, you see: if you take the "set oven to 300 degrees Fahrenheit" instruction from a cake recipe and splice it into a salad recipe, it won't accomplish anything because there's no instruction to put the salad in the oven. Similarly, you can't just graft the "wing gene" into the human genome because there is no such animal.
 

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