Can We Really Leave Our Universe and Explore Other Dimensions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the nature of the universe, its geometry, and the possibility of exploring other dimensions or universes. Participants explore concepts related to the universe's flatness, boundaries, the singularity, and the observable limits of the universe.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the interpretation of a "flat" universe, suggesting it may imply a three-dimensional shape like a rectangular cube.
  • Others clarify that "flat" refers to zero curvature and that current models suggest the universe has no boundaries.
  • There is speculation about what lies beyond the observable universe, including the nature of space outside it and the possibility of encountering other universes.
  • Participants discuss the limitations of visibility due to the cosmic microwave background and the implications of the Big Bang on our understanding of the universe's edges.
  • Questions arise regarding the location of the singularity and whether it is at the center or edge of the universe, with some suggesting it is in everyone's past light cone.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of assuming a specific geometry for the universe, with a participant noting that such assumptions may imply a preferred reference frame, which is not supported by observational evidence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the universe's geometry, the nature of the singularity, and the implications of the observable universe's limits. There is no consensus on these topics.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on current models of cosmology, the unresolved nature of the universe's shape, and the assumptions made about the singularity and its implications for exploration.

Silverbackman
How can we say the universe is flat if it has depth? It may have very thin depth but it would mean that our universe is a rectangular cube, right?

Also If we were to theoretically go in a spaceship towards the ends of our fast universe, what then? Will there be powerful particles to halt us from leaving the universe? And what would lie directly outside the universe? Is it just empty space until we reach the next universes? Can we actually leave our universe?

Let us say we manage to leave the universe and we are in empty space. Would we be able to enter another universe if it is a sphere or would we be closed off? What about if it was a saddle universe? Or perhaps even a different shape universe is possible considering the different laws of physics.:eek:
 
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The term "flat" in describing the universe means that its curvature is 0, not that it is 2 dimensional.

Current models of the universe describe it as being without any boundary, so you second question is can't be addressed.
 
mathman said:
The term "flat" in describing the universe means that its curvature is 0, not that it is 2 dimensional.
Current models of the universe describe it as being without any boundary, so you second question is can't be addressed.

So in other words our telescopes have not reached to the very ends of the universe where we can see nothinging but "empty" space and no galaxies?
 
The big bang occurred about 14 billion years ago. Therefore, the farthest distance which we could see is about 14 billion years. The cosmic microwave background (being extensively studied these days) is the residue of radiation from about 300,000 years after the big bang. That is the actual limit of visibility.
 
We are at the extreme edge of the observable universe. Do you feel any greater resistance when extending your arm in the 'direction' the universe is 'traveling'?
 
Mathman, but how do we know where the singularity is from? Does the singularity that is the source of all the matter and light (where the big bang occurred) in this universe from the edge of the universe surrounding it or is it in the center?? Where is the singularity to begin with? If we were to go in the direction light travels from would we reach the singularity?

Also, although our visibility maybe limited, what does it look like beyond the galaxies we can see? Is it just empty black space or the singularity?

Chronos, is our galaxy really at the extreme edge of the universe?:eek: How do we know this? And if so do we know what part of the universe we are at? If the universe is flat with a similar shape of a rectangle we can be "North", "South", "East", or "West" of the center of the universe right?
 
Silverbackman said:
Mathman, but how do we know where the singularity is from? Does the singularity that is the source of all the matter and light (where the big bang occurred) in this universe from the edge of the universe surrounding it or is it in the center?? Where is the singularity to begin with? If we were to go in the direction light travels from would we reach the singularity?

The singularity is in everybody's past light cone. According to mainstream physics, we can't go there, no-one can.

Also, although our visibility maybe limited, what does it look like beyond the galaxies we can see? Is it just empty black space or the singularity?

The universe was opaque for some time after the singularity, according to standard cosmology, so there is no light directly from it. The CMB is radiation ("low frequency light") from the epoch when the early universe became transparent.

Chronos, is our galaxy really at the extreme edge of the universe?:eek: How do we know this? And if so do we know what part of the universe we are at? If the universe is flat with a similar shape of a rectangle we can be "North", "South", "East", or "West" of the center of the universe right?


It has usually been assumed that our galaxy is not in any special position within the universe. Some recent speculations have us inside a bubble where the expansion characteristics are diferent from those outside the bubble. I don't think there is any evidence for a rectangular shape of the universe.
 
We are the most ancient object in our observable universe. That is indisputable. But, so is every other body in the universe in our 'now'. So, as SA pointed out, that is nothing special. In a relativistic universe, you must get accustomed to such concepts. It is very difficult to ascribe any particular geometry to the universe; in fact it's pretty much an exercise in futility. All such assumptions imply a preferred reference frame, and that option is virtually ruled out by observational evidence.
 

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