Can We Witness the Big Bang with FTL Travel?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of witnessing the Big Bang through hypothetical faster-than-light (FTL) travel. Participants explore the implications of such travel on observing the Big Bang event, its nature, and the limitations of current cosmological understanding.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that if one were to travel FTL, they would still only observe the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) radiation, as there is no reference point "outside the universe" to view the Big Bang itself.
  • Others emphasize that the density of the universe prior to the emission of the CMB prevents any observation of the Big Bang, as all electromagnetic radiation emitted before that time was absorbed by dense particles.
  • One participant suggests that the Big Bang should not be conceptualized as an explosion in space but rather as the expansion of space itself, which occurred rapidly and altered the structure of the universe.
  • Another participant notes the distinction between the Big Bang and the inflationary period, suggesting that the term "Big Bang" can lead to misconceptions about the nature of the event.
  • It is mentioned that the observable universe's limits mean that we do not actually "see" the Big Bang, but rather the surface of last scattering, which occurred long after the initial event.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that witnessing the Big Bang directly is not possible, but there are differing views on the nature of the Big Bang and the implications of FTL travel. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conceptual understanding of the Big Bang and its observational limitations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the initial conditions of the universe and the definitions surrounding the Big Bang and inflation. There is also an acknowledgment of the speculative nature of FTL travel and its implications.

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Suppose we developed a technology, which is very necessary, that we could travel FTL. Can we reach a point in cosmos from where both the chronological and spatial distance of big bang is same. Will then we be able to see bang happening?
 
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No, because:

0) If you're anywhere "inside" the universe, all you'll ever see of the big bang is CMB radiation, and no amount of physical displacement will show you anything different.

1) Habitually, when we consider the big bang, there isn't any reference point "outside the universe" from which to view the big bang, even if we developed FTL tech that somehow even made sense with respect to the laws of physics.

2) Even if we postulate there was an "outside" from which to view, we have absolutely no way to predict (afaik) what such an environment would be like and how/if matter and energy could exist in it.

3) Even if such an environment existed and could support such a spaceship, it's not certain that our FTL drive (which is just speculative fiction) would get us there. Assuming the universe is finite, the curvature of space would normally cause us to end up back where we started if we just flew off in some direction.

Check out some of the Cosmology FAQ for clearer explanations of what the Big Bang model actually says, and doesn't say! :)
 
There is nothing to see. You physically cannot "see" the big bang. The density of the universe was so great up until the CMB was emitted that it is impossible to see past that point in time. All EM radiation emitted prior to that point was nearly immediately absorbed by the hot dense particles in the universe.
This explanation avoids the more fundamental question of "Was the Big Bang an actual event, or just an artifact of an incomplete model?"
 
Hi,

No, and you are thinking about the big bang in the wrong way - as some kind of "bomb" going off in space and hurling matter outward.

The big bang was really when the universe (the space making it up; not the matter within it) began expanding by a very large factor, anywhere from 1030 to 10100. This lasted for a very, very short time (somwhere around 10-30 seconds, I believe.) and "flattened out" any wrinkles in space.

Unfortunately the term "big bang" creates many misconceptions.
 
Mark M said:
Hi,

No, and you are thinking about the big bang in the wrong way - as some kind of "bomb" going off in space and hurling matter outward.

The big bang was really when the universe (the space making it up; not the matter within it) began expanding by a very large factor, anywhere from 1030 to 10100. This lasted for a very, very short time (somwhere around 10-30 seconds, I believe.) and "flattened out" any wrinkles in space.

Unfortunately the term "big bang" creates many misconceptions.

I believe you are referring to "inflation", which is different from the Big Bang.
To the OP, note that the "Big Bang Theory" is a well accepted theory that states that the Universe expanded from a hot dense state to a less dense, cooler one over time. Per wikipedia's article on it: There is little evidence regarding the absolute earliest instant of the expansion. Thus, the Big Bang theory cannot and does not provide any explanation for such an initial condition; rather, it describes and explains the general evolution of the universe going forward from that point on.
 
We do not actually 'see' the big bang, rather an event called the surface of last scattering, or CMB - which occurred about 400,000 years after the BB. It will remain detectable for many billions of years. At some point in the very distant future it will become indistinguishable from stellar background radiation.
 

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