Can you achieve equal stereo-to-mono sound with a single track in Audacity?

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The discussion revolves around achieving equal stereo-to-mono sound output from a single track in Audacity, focusing on the phase relationship of signals sent to speakers and the technical aspects of stereo jacks and audio mixing.

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  • Some participants question whether a single tone sent through a stereo jack results in both speakers receiving the same signal in phase.
  • One participant suggests that to achieve identical output from both speakers, mixing the two channels into one may be sufficient.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the phase relationship of the signals depends on the wiring of the speakers and the setup.
  • There is a discussion about the irrelevance of cable length in terms of phase loss, as the speed of electrical signals is much faster than sound.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about how stereo jacks function when splitting a single recorded track into two speakers.
  • One participant raises a question about the methodology behind panning different instruments in multitrack recordings.
  • There are inquiries about the construction of stereo jacks and the signals they carry, with some participants providing basic information about the wiring.
  • A later reply discusses the potential for null points in sound if channels are out of phase, noting that room acoustics can affect this outcome.

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Participants express varying opinions on the phase relationship of signals in stereo setups, with no consensus reached on whether a single tone results in in-phase output. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the technical details of achieving equal stereo-to-mono sound.

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Some claims about the behavior of audio signals and the effects of room acoustics are made without detailed mathematical backing or experimental verification. The discussion includes assumptions about speaker wiring and audio software functionality that are not universally agreed upon.

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stereo jack from a computer to a set of computer speakers and driven by a constant tone on a single track in Audacity do both speakers get the same signal in phase?

should I copy and paste the signal into two separate tracks and send them left and right to get two identical phase signals left and right?

I basically want to make stereo to mono equal in both speakers.
 
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Depends on the details of the amp output and the length of the cables. To be sure you will have to measure ... suggest interference method using a monotone.
The output is in-phase if the highest intensity sound is found along the line half way between the speakers.

A detailed answer will depend on why it matters.
 
the monotone is the question, a single tone sent through a stereo jack comes out as dual mono right but are they in phase or out of phase. just wondering how the stereo jack works really when splitting a single recorded track into two speakers.
 
The length of cables is completely irelevent as the speed of electrical data in the cables is vastly greater than the speed of sound
 
Yeah I wasn't sure where phase loss came in over short distance to computer speakers.
 
I'm not too clear what your aim is here.
However if it is to achieve an identical (mono) output from both speakers, you can simply just mix the two channels into one.
It doesn't matter what the source of the originally separate channels is, you just physically connect the left and right channels with piece of wire or similar.
Then from this connector you take a separate lead to each of the speakers.
 
houlahound said:
the monotone is the question, a single tone sent through a stereo jack comes out as dual mono right but are they in phase or out of phase. just wondering how the stereo jack works really when splitting a single recorded track into two speakers.

They should be in phase, if you have your speakers wired correctly.
 
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Anyone have a circuit diagram of a stereo jack construction?
 
On a side note anyone know the reasoning behind sending a track left or right in a multitrack recording.

there must be some methodology behind sending say drums this way and vocals that way or however it is arranged.

is there a standard protocol for argument sake in pop music.
 
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houlahound said:
Anyone have a circuit diagram of a stereo jack construction?
It's got nothing to do with the jack. The split from mono to stereo occurs within the software. I'm sure no one would design software to split the channels 180° out of phase. (Assuming, of course, that the speakers are wired up correctly and the plug is fully inserted into the socket.)
 
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the jack must receive separate signals it transports left and right, so it must have a ground, left and right. just want to know which is which.
 
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houlahound said:
the jack must receive separate signals it transports left and right, so it must have a ground, left and right. just want to know which is which.
Stereo Jack:
Ring = Right Channel (this makes it easy to remember!)
Tip = Left Channel
Shell = Ground (Common)
 
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Cheers.
 
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If the two channels are in antiphase and exactly the same amplitude you will get a null along the line at right angles to the line of the speakers. BUT the room must not have any reflections off walls and furniture or the null will be filled in. The pattern will be a figure of eight and the setup can sound odd as your ears try to make sense of what they hear.
Look at articles of multiple radio antenna arrays. The same maths applies.
 
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