Can you convert (s+1) to (u-2) in the integration of (3+s)^(1/2)(s+1)^2ds?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the expression \((3+s)^{1/2}(s+1)^2\) and the possibility of converting the term \((s+1)\) into \((u-2)\) through a substitution where \(u = s + 3\). Participants explore different methods for performing the integration, including substitution and direct manipulation of the integrand.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the substitution \(u = s + 3\) leading to \(du = ds\) and transforms the integral into \(\int u^{\frac{1}{2}}(u-2)^2\,du\).
  • Another participant questions how to derive \((u-2)^2\) from the original integrand.
  • A different approach is proposed that avoids substitution, instead expressing the integrand solely in terms of \(s + 3\) and expanding it to facilitate integration.
  • Clarification is provided that \(s + 1\) can be expressed as \(u - 2\) under the substitution \(u = s + 3\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple approaches to the integration problem, and while there is some agreement on the substitution method, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the steps involved in the substitution and the expansion of the integrand, indicating potential limitations in the clarity of the transformation process.

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3.) ∫(3+s)1/2(s+1)2ds
 
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I would let:

$$u=s+3\,\therefore\,du=ds$$

and now we have:

$$\int u^{\frac{1}{2}}(u-2)^2\,du$$

Now, expand, distribute, and then apply the power rule term by term.
 
MarkFL said:
I would let:

$$u=s+3\,\therefore\,du=ds$$

and now we have:

$$\int u^{\frac{1}{2}}(u-2)^2\,du$$

Now, expand, distribute, and then apply the power rule term by term.

how do you get (u-2)2?
 
Hi everyone, :)

An alternative method without using substitutions is to write the integrand only using \(s+3\).

\begin{eqnarray}

\int(s+3)^{1/2}(s+1)^2\,ds&=&\int(s+3)^{1/2}(s+3-2)^2\,ds\\

&=&\int(s+3)^{1/2}\left((s+3)^2-4(s+3)+4\right)\,ds\\

&=&\int(s+3)^{5/2}\,d(s+3)-4\int(s+3)^{3/2}\,d(s+3)+4\int(s+3)^{1/2}\,d(s+3)\\

\end{eqnarray}

Hope you can continue. :)
 
paulmdrdo said:
how do you get (u-2)2?

Hi paulmdrdo, :)

The \(s+1\) in the integrand becomes \(u-2\). That is, \(u=s+3\Rightarrow u-2=s+1\).
 

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