Can You Feel Pain in Zero Gravity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the experience of pain in a zero-gravity environment, particularly in the context of physical interactions such as being punched. Participants explore the implications of weightlessness on force, inertia, and the mechanics of actions in space.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that even in minimal gravity, a punch would still hurt due to the principles of momentum and inertia, as the fist retains mass and thus can exert force.
  • Others clarify that mass is independent of weight, emphasizing that an object in a weightless environment still possesses inertia and momentum.
  • One participant introduces the idea that the effectiveness of actions, such as hammering a nail, may vary in low gravity, suggesting that the orientation and anchoring of objects play a significant role.
  • Another participant questions how distance affects the force of a punch in zero gravity, noting that without a surface to push off, the dynamics change.
  • Several participants discuss inertia, providing examples to illustrate its effects and how it operates independently of gravity.
  • A hypothetical scenario is presented where a construction worker in zero gravity could lift heavy beams, but must be cautious of their inertia when moving them.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that pain can be felt from a punch in zero gravity due to inertia and momentum, but there are multiple competing views regarding the mechanics of actions in such an environment, particularly concerning the effects of gravity on those actions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the specific mechanics of force application in zero gravity, the role of distance in physical interactions, and the implications of inertia in various scenarios.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring the effects of gravity on physical interactions, the principles of inertia and momentum, and the practical implications of working in a zero-gravity environment.

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If you are in a spaceship in the middle of nowhere in space. (minimum gravity) Nothing would weigh anything, right? So if someone punches you in the face with their (wieghtless) fist, will it hurt?
 
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Jarle said:
If you are in a spaceship in the middle of nowhere in space. (minimum gravity) Nothing would weigh anything, right? So if someone punches you in the face with their (wieghtless) fist, will it hurt?

First of all, I hope you know that just because you're in space does not mean that gravitational forces acting on you are zero, or even minimal. You need to be very far away from anything massive for that to apply. (I think you understand that from the wording of your question).

To answer your question, yes, it will hurt like a mother. [tex]F = ma[/tex] still applies and there is still momentum transfer as a fist decelerates rapidly in an inelastic collision against your face.
 
Jarle said:
If you are in a spaceship in the middle of nowhere in space. (minimum gravity) Nothing would weigh anything, right? So if someone punches you in the face with their (wieghtless) fist, will it hurt?

A mass is defined independent of whether it has any weight. This means that it will still have both inertia and momentum when it moves. Just ask the astronaut who had to stop a statellite from spinning while trying to repair it. So a cannon ball coming at you 100 km/hour will still hurt like crazy whether it is on earth, or in space with almost no gravity.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
A mass is defined independent of whether it has any weight.

In particular - it's defined by Newton's second law, as the ratio of how much it accelerates to how much force is applied in order to accelerate it:

[tex]m\equiv\frac{F}{a}[/tex]

The same fist will take the same force to decelerate in your face, as anywhere else in space or on earth; because its inertial mass is always the same.
 
Bit i heard that hammering a nail in a piece of wood, would be much harder on the moon due to its low gravity. would this mean that it would be almost impossible at a place with extremely low gravity? Is the reason then that the hammer is weightless, or something else?
 
Jarle said:
But i heard that hammering a nail in a piece of wood, would be much harder on the moon due to its low gravity. would this mean that it would be almost impossible at a place with extremely low gravity? Is the reason then that the hammer is weightless, or something else?

Think about what happens when you hammer something on Earth in the usual orientation - e.g. when driving a nail into the floor.

Then consider hammering something in a weird orientation on earth, like hammering a nail up into the ceiling.

One task will be made harder, the other easier in zero g. Can you figure out which is which and why? (Of course, we're only considering localised forces here and assuming everything is anchored down during the work, if everything and everyone are floating around, things will become harder no matter what).
 
A point I want to add to the previous discussion.

An object in a weightless environment may not have any "weight" (net force due to gravity), but it will certainly still have inertia.
 
wouldnt the force then matter how far away they are from you, since there is no longer a floor that they can push of off to punch you, they now need a part of their body to equally accelerate in the other direction?
 
Not if they get in close and get a hold of your hair:

Smack!

Rattle, clatter. Them's your teeth pinging around the airlock.
 
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i don't understand this! inertia?
 
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What is it you don't understand about inertia, specifically?
 
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Jarle said:
i don't understand this! inertia?
The best way I've seen to notice inertia decoupled from weight is with a grocery cart or other similar cart (like a cart at Ikea). At Ikea, all 4 wheels are castors, so they swivel. You aren't supporting the weight of what is in the cart, yet the more you put in the cart, the harder it is to accelerate/decelerate it. And with one of those carts at Ikea, if you have a bunch of unassembled furnature in it, get some decent speed, then go to turn, you'll find that it will spin, but it will not turn unless you orient yourself perpendicular to its direction of motion. That resistance to change in velocity is inertia.
 
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Weight is kinda like inertia pointing down because of gravity, Jarle. Similar to that shopping trolley, only Mr Gravity keeps on pulling it down. Anything that's got a mass has always got inertia, which is its resistance to moving. It's the same as momentum, which is the resistance to not moving, and moving depends on your point of view - is it you who's moving or the other thing? Anyhow, inertia is basically how we define something as having mass.

So a mass has always got inertia, even if there's no gravity around. So, smack, it hurts.
 
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Jarle said:
i don't understand this! inertia?

Inertia is the tendency of bodies that are in motion to remain in motion.

The amount of inertia a body has is measured by its inertial mass and its momentum. Inertial mass is just the quantity 'm' in Newton's law of motion

Force = (m)ass * acceleration.

while momentum = mass * velocity.

To give an example of the importance of inertia

A hypothetical space construction worker, working in "0 g", would be able to lift extremely heavy beams, beams he could not possibly lift on Earth, due to the weightless environment.

He would have to be careful how he handled them, though. If the worker applies a force to make the beam move, the beam will move very slowly, because of it's high inertial mass (the m in Newton's law, the acceleration will be given by force/mass).

If he applies a large force, or a small force for a very long time, he could make the beams move very rapidly. But once the beams are moving so rapidly, they would be very hard to stop - because of their inertia. They could seriously injure a person who got hit with them, or could damage other parts of the construction project if an object was hit rather than a person.
 
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Now i do understand ;) thanks.
 

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