Can You Hang a Table Level Using Ropes at Each Corner?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of hanging a tabletop from ropes at each corner to achieve a level surface, particularly in the context of pouring concrete into buckets that support the legs. Participants explore the implications of weight distribution, rope behavior, and the practicality of the proposed method.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests hanging the table from ropes at each corner and connecting them to a central rope, questioning if this method could ensure a level tabletop.
  • Another participant argues against the hanging method, citing the potential for shifting and instability during the concrete setting process.
  • A participant points out that the assumption of even weight distribution among the legs is critical, noting that variations in leg compression and air gaps could lead to an uneven final result.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the effectiveness of the method, emphasizing that the table's weight and leg characteristics could complicate achieving a truly level surface.
  • Concerns are raised about the stretching of ropes and the need for additional leveling tools, such as a machinist's level and shims.
  • One participant questions the practicality of the method, despite acknowledging that it could theoretically work under certain assumptions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effectiveness and practicality of the proposed method. There are competing views regarding the assumptions about weight distribution and the behavior of the ropes.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to assumptions about weight distribution, rope behavior, and the potential for air gaps under the legs, which could affect the final leveling of the table.

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If I have a tabletop, and I can hang it from above with rope, is there a way I could hang it so that it would be necessarily level? It has legs attached and the mass is not necessarily distributed evenly relative to the flat surface of the table.

I imagine this is probably not the best way to make a level table, but I was just thinking about it and wondering if this would work. To actually finish the table I would have the table hanging such that each leg was in a bucket (but not touching the bottom so the table is still hanging free), and once I had it hanging correctly I would poor concrete in each bucket.

My thought was to attach four equal lengths of rope, one to each corner, and then connect them together to a central rope.
 
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Trying to hang it would be a bad idea. It's too prone to shifting, especially over the time it takes for concrete to dry.

Why wouldn't you support it with temporary legs from below?
 
With the table made level by the 'hanging rope method' and the legs in the bucket into which concrete would be poured and let to set for an amount of time, after which the ropes are removed, and the table should now still be level, is a misconception as one has to assume that each leg will now bear one fourth of the table weight, again from another assumption that the table weight is evenly distributed, and that the compression of each leg is also proportional to one fourth od the table weight, again from an assumption that each leg is completely similar to all the other three.

In addition, there will be an air space under leg between the bottom of the leg and the concrete and one has no way of knowing how large this air space will be or if the air space has been completely eliminated with agitation of the concerete before it has set, with the ensuing result that some legs may rest on more or less concrete whose compression from the table leg can thus not be determined beforehand.

I would conclude that this method would result in a table that is nearly level, with no method of determining how near to level the table would be.
 
256bits said:
...again from another assumption that the table weight is evenly distributed, and that the compression of each leg is also proportional to one fourth od the table weight, again from an assumption that each leg is completely similar to all the other three.
I don't follow how the weight of the table or distribution or size of each leg would affect this. If he manages to level the tabletop, and sets the concrete. What's the problem?

256bits said:
I would conclude that this method would result in a table that is nearly level, with no method of determining how near to level the table would be.
You'd use a level on the table top.
 
Rope stretches.

Use a machinist's level and shims.
 
DaveC426913 said:
I don't follow how the weight of the table or distribution or size of each leg would affect this. If he manages to level the tabletop, and sets the concrete. What's the problem?

Simple stress strain of materials.
Once the ropes are removed, the legs are now bearing the weight of the table where they had not before. As I had said, the table will in the end should be nearly level, and probabably level enough for most purposes.
 
My main question is if it would be possible to go about leveling the surface in the first place. Would my described method work, with a rope attached to each corner attached to a central rope?

I'm okay with assuming the rope doesn't stretch.
 
Yehow said:
My main question is if it would be possible to go about leveling the surface in the first place. Would my described method work, with a rope attached to each corner attached to a central rope?

I'm okay with assuming the rope doesn't stretch.

It would be possible, yes. But a better question is: would it be practical.
 

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