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The discussion revolves around finding the dimensions of an isosceles triangle of least area that circumscribes a circle of radius r. The conversation includes mathematical reasoning, exploration of geometric relationships, and the application of calculus to solve the problem.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the formula A = 1/2 L^2 sinθ to find the area of the triangle.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of drawing a diagram to understand the relationship between the triangle and the circle, noting that L represents the length of the congruent sides and θ is the vertex angle.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in reducing the problem to one variable.
  • One participant corrects the earlier statement about θ, clarifying that it represents the vertex angle, and provides a geometric breakdown involving right triangles to relate the dimensions of the triangle to the radius r.
  • Several participants express frustration with the presentation of attempts, suggesting that clarity and organization are necessary for effective feedback.
  • A participant mentions using a "school method" and indicates a need for calculus to solve the problem, while another participant suggests using the radius to create smaller triangles to find the total area and apply derivatives for minimization.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the problem, with no consensus on a single method or solution. Some participants agree on the need for a clearer presentation of ideas, while others focus on different mathematical strategies.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of angles and the relationships between the triangle and the circle. The discussion also reflects a lack of clarity in some participants' attempts to communicate their reasoning.

Who May Find This Useful

Students studying geometry and calculus, particularly those interested in optimization problems involving geometric figures.

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Find the dimensions of the isosceles triangle of least area that circumscribes a
circle of radius r.

I think you will benefit from this equation: A= 1/2 L^2 sinθ
 
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Have you drawn a picture? Clearly here, "L" is the side of one of the two congruent sides of the isosceles triangle and \theta is half the vertex angle. Draw the line from the center of the circle to the point where one of the congruent sides is tangent to the circle. What can you say about the triangle that forms?
 
I know that,but how I can make it with one variable??
 
First, a correction, \theta in your formula is the vertex angle, not half the vertex angle.

Half of the isosceles triangle is a right triangle with hypotenuse L and one side H= L cos(\theta/2), the altitude of the triangle, and the third side L sin(\theta/2). If you draw a line from the center of the circle to point at which the line L is tangent to the circle, that also gives a right triangle (a radius of a circle is always perpendicular to a tangent) similar to the first right triangle. The hypotenuse of this smaller right triangle is H-r and the "opposite side" has length r. That is
\frac{r}{H-r}= \frac{L sin(\theta/2)}{L}
That will allow you to write the formula in terms of the variable \theta and r, which is a constant.
 
That is my try
 

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vip89 said:
That is my try

You do not really expect anybody to read this do you? I suppose you would not hand in something like this to your professor or TA or teacher or whoever (at least I strongly hope so) so why don't you bother writing it down in a tidy way if you want us to check your work?
 
I did it by school method
but doctor said that he want a calculus??
I didnt know how to solve by calculus?
 
My tip is to draw the radius of the circle to all sides, and draw also the line segments from the circles centre to each of the triangles vertexes. Now you have 6 small triangles and you can use them to find the total area of the triangle and then use the derivative to find its min value.
 
vip89 said:
I did it by school method
but doctor said that he want a calculus??
I didnt know how to solve by calculus?
1. Surely the "school method" is not to write at random angles all across the paper!

2. Who is "the doctor"?
 

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