Can You Provide an Example of Strict Inequality in Bessel's Inequality?

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The discussion revolves around finding an example of a vector \( x \in \ell^2 \) that demonstrates strict inequality in Bessel's inequality, specifically where the sum of squared inner products is less than the square of the norm of \( x \). The context includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of concepts related to orthonormal sets and bases.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an initial attempt to find a vector \( x \) and an orthonormal basis \( (x_k) \) that satisfies the condition of strict inequality in Bessel's inequality.
  • Another participant clarifies that Bessel's inequality applies to an orthonormal set, and equality holds if the set is a basis, referencing Parseval's Identity.
  • Concerns are raised about the calculations related to the inner products and the norm of \( x \), with one participant questioning their own arithmetic.
  • A suggestion is made to discard certain basis vectors to create a new orthonormal set that does not form a basis, leading to a sum of squared inner products equal to zero.
  • Participants express acknowledgment of the oversight in their calculations and reasoning.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical principles involved, but there is no consensus on a definitive example that meets the criteria for strict inequality in Bessel's inequality.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the calculations presented, particularly regarding the treatment of the orthonormal set and the implications of discarding certain vectors. The discussion does not resolve the search for a valid example.

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Hi everyone

Today during problem session we had this seemingly simple exercise, but I just can't crack it:

We should give an example of an x \in \ell^2 with strict inequality in the Bessel inequality (that is an x for which \sum_{k=1}^\infty |<x,x_k>|^2 < ||x||^2, where (x_k) is an orthonormal basis). I have tried a few things, e.g. defining x_k in the following way:

x_1 = (\frac{1}{\sqrt(2)},\frac{1}{\sqrt(2)},0,\ldots)
x_2 = (\frac{-1}{\sqrt(2)},\frac{1}{\sqrt(2)},0,\ldots)
x_k = (0,\ldots,0,1,0,\ldots), for k \geq 3

and defining x as x = (1,1,0,0,\ldots),

but that doesn't seem to work. Does anyone have a better idea?
 
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jgthb said:
Bessel inequality (that is an x for which

\sum_{k=1}^\infty |<x,x_k>|^2 < ||x||^2,

where (x_k) is an orthonormal basis).
Bessel's inequality concerns an orthonormal set (sequence). If that set is a basis, then equality holds: 'Parseval's Identity'.

That said, why wouldn't your example work? You have ||x||^2=2 and that sum of squared inner products equals 2/sqrt(2).
 
set of course, not basis...thank you

but it doesn't work:

\sum_{k=1}^\infty |<x,x_k>|^2 =|<x,x_1>|^2=|\frac{2}{\sqrt(2)}|^2=2,

or am I just really bad at simple calculations today?
 
Yes, you are right; I forgot to square. But this should come as no surprise, because your x_k's form a basis! Why don't you just throw x_1 and x_2 away? What you're left with is of course still orthonormal:
(0,0,1,0,0,0,...)
(0,0,0,1,0,0,...)
(0,0,0,0,1,0,...)
etc., but not a basis any more.

Then the sum of square of innner products is just 0, and ||x||^2=2. Certainly, 0<2 :)
 
of course! that's actually a bit embarrassing, that I didn't think of that :)

Thank you so much, Landau
 
Your're welcome :)
 

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