Can't understand ket notation for spin 1/2

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The discussion revolves around the ket notation used in quantum mechanics, specifically for representing the spin states of particles, particularly spin 1/2 particles like electrons. Participants are exploring why there are four elements in each ket notation instead of just two, as one might expect from the binary nature of spin states.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants question the representation of spin states in ket notation, particularly the inclusion of four elements. Some discuss the implications of spin values and the notation used in quantum mechanics literature, referencing specific examples from Griffiths' work.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the notation and its implications, with some participants expressing clarity after engaging with the material. However, the discussion remains open as different interpretations of the notation are being considered.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the notation can vary between editions of textbooks, indicating potential confusion or differing conventions in representing quantum states.

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Homework Statement
Each particle can have spin up or spin down, so there are four possibilities.
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It's from Example 4.5, from Griffiths (Quantum Mechanics)
I can't why there are four elements in each ket instead of only two
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pepediaz said:
Homework Statement:: Each particle can have spin up or spin down, so there are four possibilities.
Relevant Equations:: It's from Example 4.5, from Griffiths (Quantum Mechanics)

I can't why there are four elements in each ket instead of only two View attachment 279407
The notation is that the first two 1/2 just indicated the spin of each particle. The last two entries give the z component of the spin, ##S_z## of each particle.
 
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With electrons it is understood that the spin is 1/2 and is often omitted for compactness. In that case instead of ##|\frac{1}{2},\frac{1}{2},s_{1z},s_{2z}\rangle## one can write ##|s_{1z},s_{2z}\rangle## where ##s_{1z},s_{2z}=\pm \frac{1}{2}## or use ##\uparrow\downarrow## as Griffiths does.

If the two spins, or more generally angular momenta, are greater than 1/2, one must be clear about what one means and write the full-blown ##|S_1,S_2,S_{1z},S_{2z}\rangle## to avoid confusion.
 
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Thanks! I see it now!
 
pepediaz said:
Thanks! I see it now!
In the later edition he abandons that notation, in fact. Instead, he has:
$$\uparrow \downarrow \ = \ |\frac 1 2 \frac 1 2 \rangle |\frac 1 2 -\frac 1 2 \rangle $$
 

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