Can't understand this integral

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The integral discussed in the forum revolves around the expression -A∫(1/x^n) dx, leading to the antiderivative -A/(-n + 1)x^(-n + 1) + C. The confusion arises from the transition to (n - 1) in the exponent, which is clarified by understanding the manipulation of negative signs. Additionally, the discussion addresses the limits of integration and the concept of substituting a non-infinite variable for r' to analyze behavior as it approaches infinity. The final expression for the antiderivative is confirmed to be correct, despite initial concerns regarding a potential typo in the denominator.

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http://www.ph.qmul.ac.uk/phy108/CM2005_week2_Lecture3_Interatomic%20Forces2.pdf

Take a look at page 4 example 1.

Why is it, when he performs the integral, it's n-1? What happens when he puts the limts in? Where is the infinty?
 
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Lavace said:
http://www.ph.qmul.ac.uk/phy108/CM2005_week2_Lecture3_Interatomic%20Forces2.pdf

Take a look at page 4 example 1.

Why is it, when he performs the integral, it's n-1?
First question: It looks like a mistake to me. The basic integral is
-A\int \frac{1}{x^n} dx = -A \int x^{-n} dx = \frac{-A}{-n + 1}x^{-n + 1} + C
If you take the (-1) from A and multiply the (-n + 1) you get (n - 1). The exponent of n on the 1/r' is incorrect.

Lavace said:
What happens when he puts the limts in? Where is the infinty?
Second question. For the infinite integration limit you need to substitute a noninfinite variable in for r', and then let that variable get larger without bound.
 
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Thanks for that.

So what happens (result) when he subtracted this ever increasing value of r?

Also, how do you multiply the -1 to the power? (well I know how, but I wouldn't have thought I could do that?)
 
Actually, it is correct, because his answer is in terms of (1/r). Using your example, you have x^(-n+1). By turning x to 1/x, you introduce another negative sign on the exponent making it
x^(n-1)

Edit: That last part, that I wrote, should be (1/x)^(n-1).
 
Chrisas said:
Actually, it is correct, because his answer is in terms of (1/r). Using your example, you have x^(-n+1). By turning x to 1/x, you introduce another negative sign on the exponent making it
x^(n-1)

Edit: That last part, that I wrote, should be (1/x)^(n-1).

The final answer might be correct (I haven't finished the problem), but the expression he (she?) got for the antiderivative is incorrect for the reason I gave in my previous post. That is, unless you can convince me that my work is in error.
 
Oh..you mean the part on the second line all the way on the right side...yeah, looks like a typo on the first r' term in the denominator, should be -n+1. I was looking at the final line, which is correct.
 

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