Car coming to a stop kinematics problem

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The problem involves a car's braking process, where the acceleration is not constant but varies with time, specifically given as bt, with b = 1.5 m/s³. The initial speed of the car is 45 m/s, and the question seeks to determine the distance traveled before the car comes to a stop.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the applicability of standard kinematics equations for varying acceleration and suggest using calculus for integration instead. There are attempts to derive equations for velocity and displacement through integration, with some participants questioning the correctness of the integration steps and the resulting equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using calculus and graphical methods to approach the problem. There are multiple interpretations of the integration results, and while some participants have arrived at numerical answers, there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final distance.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of unit analysis and the potential for errors in calculations. There is a concern about the reasonableness of the distance results, with discussions about the implications of the braking distance being greater than expected.

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Homework Statement


The acceleration of a particular car during braking has magnitude bt, where t is the time in seconds from the instant the car begins braking, and b = 1.5m/s3. If the car has an initial speed of 45m/s , how far does it travel before it stops?

Homework Equations


There are two equations that are relevant, I think
[itex]\vec{v_{f}}=\vec{v_{i}} + \vec{a} t[/itex]
and
[itex]\vec{d}=\vec{v_{i}} t + \frac{1}{2} \vec{a} t^{2}[/itex]


The Attempt at a Solution



I then used the first equation to find the time it took for the car to come to a complete stop, or vf = 0.
[itex]0 = 45 (m/s) - (1.5 (m/s^{3}) t) (t)[/itex]
Simplifying and solving for t I got, [itex]t = \sqrt{30} s[/itex]

Using this in my second equation, [itex]\vec{d}=45 (m/s) \sqrt{30} s + \frac{1}{2} -(1.5 (m/s^{3})* \sqrt{30}) 30[/itex]

Using my calculator I got 123 m/s, or 120 m/s in two significant figures like the problem asked. However, this was not right apparently. Please point my vector in the right direction!
 
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Those kinematics equations you memorised hold only for constant acceleration. So if a is varying, those equations hold only for a brief time, Δt, and you must use calculus. You will see this if you sketch the graphs, so I suggest that you first work through this problem using graphs, areas under graphs, and/or slopes of graphs. Do it all graphically. Then consider how you could perform those same operations using maths.

Good luck!
 
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Your equations are applicable if a is constant, which it is not.
You have to revert to the definitions of a and v and re-do the integration.
 
You are given acceleration.

The integral of acceleration with respect to time is velocity. The integral of velocity with respect to time is position.
 
NascentOxygen said:
Those kinematics equations you memorised hold only for constant acceleration. So if a is varying, those equations hold only for a brief time, Δt, and you must use calculus. You will see this if you sketch the graphs, so I suggest that you first work through this problem using graphs, areas under graphs, and/or slopes of graphs. Then consider how you could perform those same operations using maths.

Good luck!

Okay, so acceleration is a straight, decreasing line and therefore the slope of the line is -1.5. Then integrating the equation for acceleration (-1.5 t) I got [itex]\frac{-1.5}{2} t^{2} + C = \vec{v}_{f}[/itex] and when time is zero, C is vi, so the equation for the final velocity is [itex]\frac{-1.5}{2} t^{2} + \vec{v}_{i} = \vec{v}_{f}[/itex]. And integrating that for time, I get displacement and, to spare words, I won't explain the work and I got [itex]\frac{-1.5t^{3}}{6} + \frac{\vec{v}_{i}}{2} t^{2} = \vec{d}[/itex] (I ignored putting the initial height, which I got the arbitrary constant to be because I put the origin in the problem at where the person starts braking. So solving for time I got [itex]t = 2\sqrt{15}[/itex] and using this to find distance I got ~1233.8 meters, which I think makes no sense. I don't want any more points deducted, so how else would I go about finding out if I'm wrong? My intuition tells me that braking distance >1 km makes absolutely no sense, but some of the answers on here have been more weird so I don't know.

I actually used an internet calculator to find my answer of 1233.8 meters, and I must have made an error when I typed it in cause when I went by hand I got 232.37 m and that answer makes more sense to me, but not by much cause I don't think it should take 232.37 m to come to a stop.
 
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Where did the t^2 come from on the velocity part of your position equation? It should be a single t. Check your integration. Initial velocity does not change with time.

Edit: you would have caught your mistake with a unit analysis. Always carry units in your calculations.
 
Feodalherren said:
Where did the t^2 come from on the velocity part of your position equation? It should be a single t. Check your integration. Initial velocity does not change with time.

Edit: you would have caught your mistake with a unit analysis. Always carry units in your calculations.

I may have gotten a little excited when typing that part of the equation in LaTeX :P, I finally gathered all my courage and put my answer of ~232 m into the problem and it accepted it as right. Thank you everyone for your help!
 

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