Cartesian product of R^n and R^m

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the Cartesian product of the spaces R^n and R^m, particularly in the context of whether R^(n+m) refers to ordered pairs of ordered pairs or simply an (n+m)-tuple of real numbers. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to manifold structures.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether R^(n+m) refers to ordered pairs of ordered pairs, suggesting that for n=1 and m=2, it could mean pairs like (x, (y,z)).
  • Another participant argues that context is key, indicating that R^(m+n) typically denotes an (m+n)-tuple of real numbers unless specified otherwise.
  • A third participant notes that the expression (a, b) can be interpreted as either a pair of pairs or as a single tuple, and mentions the isomorphism between R^n x R^m and R^(m+n) in the context of operations like addition and scalar multiplication.
  • A later post raises a question about proving a property of manifolds, suggesting that they are leaning towards the interpretation of an (m+n)-tuple of real numbers.
  • One participant confirms the interpretation that has been discussed, indicating agreement with the previous points made.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While there is some agreement on the interpretation of R^(n+m) as an (m+n)-tuple of real numbers, the initial question about whether it refers to ordered pairs of ordered pairs remains contested. Multiple views are present regarding the precise meaning in different contexts.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of context in interpreting mathematical notation, particularly in distinguishing between Cartesian products and tuples. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions and implications of these interpretations.

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This is going to be a weird question, but in textbooks when we're given the two spaces R^n and R^m, and they say something about R^(n+m), then are they referring to ordered pairs of ordered pairs? That is, if x is in R^n and y is in R^m, then R^(n+m) is the set of all ordered pairs (x,y). So for example if n = 1 and m = 2, then all ordered pairs of ordered pairs: (x, (y,z)) where x is in R and (y,z) is in R^2?

Or do they just mean an (n+m)tuple of real numbers?
 
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You have to tell by context, if you see [tex]\mathbb{R}^{m+n}[/tex] written without anything else, then you have to assume just a (m+n) tuple of real numbers, but when previously talking about the spaces [tex]\mathbb{R}^n[/tex] and [tex]\mathbb{R}^m[/tex], I'm quite sure they mean the Cartesian product.
 
Note that if a= (x, y, z) and b= (u, v, w) then (a, b)= ((x, y, z), (u, v, w)) is equivalent to (x, y, z, u, v, w). If you have addition, scalar multiplication, etc. for Rm and Rn then the two spaces, RnXRm and Rm+ n, are also isomorphic.
 
I was asked to prove that if M is a k-manifold without boundary in [tex]R^m[/tex], and if N is an l-manifold in [tex]R^n[/tex], then M * N is a (k+l)-manifold in [tex]R^{m+n}[/tex].

I'm guessing then they are talking about an m+n tuple of real numbers?
 
Yes, that's what we are saying.
 

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