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The discussion revolves around the properties of the center of a linear algebraic group, specifically focusing on the dimensionality of the center in relation to the dimension of the group itself. Participants explore lower and upper bounds for the dimension of the center, denoted as ##c(m)##, and consider various cases and examples.

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  • Some participants note that ##c(0)=0##, ##c(1)=1##, and propose that ##n^2 \geq c(m) \geq 1## for ##m \neq 0##.
  • Others argue that there are groups with trivial or finite centers, suggesting that ##c(m)## can be zero even for nonzero ##m##.
  • A participant mentions that the identity is always in the center, but emphasizes that it contributes a dimension of 0.
  • Some participants inquire about the existence of significant upper and lower bounds for ##c(m)## beyond the known values of ##n^2## and ##1##, questioning what the maximum of ##c(m)## could be.
  • One participant suggests that if the dimension is ##n^2##, it must contain some small open ball around the identity, which they believe is impossible due to the non-commutativity of ##GL(n)##, proposing ##n^2-1## as an upper bound.
  • Another participant provides an example of the center of ##O(n)##, noting its dimension and questioning the tools available to investigate such properties.
  • There is a discussion about the behavior of the dimension of the center, ##d(n,m)##, and whether it can be expressed in terms of ##O(m^\eta)##, with uncertainty about the bounds of ##\eta##.
  • One participant posits that the maximal abelian subgroups are conjugate to the diagonal subgroup.

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Participants express differing views on the bounds and properties of the center's dimension, with no consensus reached on the maximum values or the behavior of ##d(n,m)##. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the general behavior of the center's dimension in various cases.

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Participants acknowledge the complexity of the topic, with limitations related to specific cases and the need for further investigation into the properties of linear algebraic groups and their centers.

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Let ##G\leq GL(n)## be a linear algebraic group of dimension ##m,## and ##C## its ##c##-dimensional center. What do we know about lower and upper bounds of ##c=c(m)\,\text{?}##

Clearly ##c(0)=0, c(1)=1## and ##n^2\geq c(m)\geq 1## for ##m\neq 0.## By Schur's Lemma we also know ##c(n^2)=1##. Did anybody ever investigated what happens in between?
 
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There are plenty of groups with trivial or finite centre, hence zero dimensional. So ##c(m)## can be zero for nonzero ##m##.
 
martinbn said:
There are plenty of groups with trivial or finite centre, hence zero dimensional. So ##c(m)## can be zero for nonzero ##m##.
The identity is always in the center.
 
fresh_42 said:
The identity is always in the center.
Of course, but it is a single point and has dimension 0.
 
martinbn said:
Of course, but it is a single point and has dimension 0.
Sure, for some simple S-groups, of which we know the centers. That is if ##\mathbb{F}\cdot 1 \cap G <\infty ,## which are very specific cases. My question was more generic when we have ##\mathbb{F}\cdot 1 \subseteq G.## A few cases of finite centers doesn't answer the question: Are there significant upper and lower bounds for ##c(m)## except ##n^2## and ##1\,\text{?}## Or ##0##, I don't care. E.g. what is the maximum of ##c(m)\,\text{?}## ##n\,\text{?}## or ##n^\eta,## and what is the maximal value of the exponent?
 
If the dimension is ##n^2## then it must contain some small open ball around the identity, which is impossible since ##GL(n)## isn't commutative. So ##n^2-1## is an upper bound I guess? (I'm also pretty sure you can't have an ##n^2## dimensional linear algebraic group except for ##GL(n)##, but I'm open to the possibility of a strange counterexample)
 
fresh_42 said:
Summary:: linear algebra; center; groups

Let ##G\leq GL(n)## be a linear algebraic group of dimension ##m,## and ##C## its ##c##-dimensional center. What do we know about lower and upper bounds of ##c=c(m)\,\text{?}##

Clearly ##c(0)=0, c(1)=1## and ##n^2\geq c(m)\geq 1## for ##m\neq 0.## By Schur's Lemma we also know ##c(n^2)=1##. Did anybody ever investigated what happens in between?
I'm not sure I full understand your question, but for a concrete example the center of ##O(n)## is ##\{I_n,-I_n\}## and ##O(n)## has dimension ##\frac{n^2-n}{n}##.
 
fresh_42 said:
Summary:: linear algebra; center; groups

Let ##G\leq GL(n)## be a linear algebraic group of dimension ##m,## and ##C## its ##c##-dimensional center. What do we know about lower and upper bounds of ##c=c(m)\,\text{?}##

Clearly ##c(0)=0, c(1)=1## and ##n^2\geq c(m)\geq 1## for ##m\neq 0.## By Schur's Lemma we also know ##c(n^2)=1##. Did anybody ever investigated what happens in between?
BTW, what are the tools to even investigate such a question?
 
Sure, I know the standard (simple) groups here. But how does ##d:=d(n,m):=\dim C(G)## behave generically? Yes, ##0## is a lower bound, and ##n^2## maybe ##n^2-1## an upper bound, but neither are interesting cases. The question is: Can we say something more significant about ##d## given an arbitrary ##m-##dimensional subgroup of ##\operatorname{GL}(n)## then ##n^2>d\geq 0.## Diagonal matrices form an abelian group, so there are groups with ##d=m.## If we write ##d(n,m)=O(m^\eta),## what can we say about ##\eta##? Is it bounded with ##m## from above, or is ##\eta >1?##. What is the biggest abelian subgroup of ##\operatorname{GL}(n)?## ##\eta=1## is a good guess, but is there a proof? How big are typical centers, i.e. of a randomly chosen subgroup?
 
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Aren't the maximal abelian subgroups conjugate to the diagonal subgroup?
 
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