Centre of Mass/Tipping Point Question

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to the center of mass and tipping points, specifically involving the angle of tilt for a double-decker bus in a physics context. Participants are attempting to clarify the correct interpretation of the angle given in the problem statement.

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  • Participants are exploring the interpretation of the angle provided in the problem, with some suggesting it may have been misread or misrepresented. There are attempts to reconcile the angle of 280 degrees with what is believed to be the intended 28 degrees, and discussions on how this affects the calculations.

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The discussion is actively exploring different interpretations of the problem statement, particularly regarding the angle measurement. Some participants have provided insights into potential transcription errors and how these might influence the calculations. There is no explicit consensus yet, but there are indications of productive dialogue regarding the correct approach to the problem.

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Participants note the possibility of a transcription error in the problem statement, which may affect the interpretation of the angle. Additionally, there are references to specific regulations regarding the testing of double-decker buses that may provide context for the problem.

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The top deck of a bus is loaded with sandbags. The bus is tested to ensure all 4 wheels are in contact with the ground up, to at least 280 degrees to the vertical. The height of the bus is 4.4m and width is 2.4m. Calculate the height of the centre of mass of the loaded bus by assuming it would topple over at larger angles.
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h = 1.2tan(10)
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I drew out a small diagram to illustrate my attempt. I interpreted 280 degrees from the vertical as 10 degrees from the horizontal. Using trig I solved for the h, which I get an obviously incorrect answer. The actual answer in the book is 2.3m,
 
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I suggest it means the bus base is tilted 10° to the horizontal.
 
I believe that you have misread the question or that it has been poorly transcribed. It is not 280 degrees. It is 28 degrees (28°)

One can easily imagine a transcription error where a degree symbol is rendered as the digit zero.
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-double-decker-buses-not-tip-over said:
In the UK, British transportation regulations required that double decker buses be tested on a tilting ramp, to an angle of 28-degrees.
Note that this is 28 degrees from the vertical, not 10 degrees from the horizontal. So the relevant formula will change slightly from the one you have used.

With those tweaks in mind, I get the book answer to two significant digits.

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https://www.ltmuseum.co.uk/collections/collections-online/photographs/item/2002-18969 said:
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jbriggs444 said:
I believe that you have misread the question or that it has been poorly transcribed. It is not 280 degrees. It is 28 degrees (28°)

One can easily imagine a transcription error where a degree symbol is rendered as the digit zero.

Note that this is 28 degrees from the vertical, not 10 degrees from the horizontal. So the relevant formula will change slightly from the one you have used.

With those tweaks in mind, I get the book answer to two significant digits.
Thank you, after re-calculating I get 2.256..., which is consistent with the answer to 2.s.f. It unfortunately appears to be a printing error.
 
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