Challenge IV: Complex Square Roots, solved by jgens

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The discussion revolves around the challenge of proving that there is no continuous function ##f:\mathbb{C}\rightarrow \mathbb{C}## such that ##(f(x))^2 = x## for each ##x\in \mathbb{C}##. Participants explore various approaches and proofs related to complex analysis, topology, and continuity.

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  • Some participants propose that if such a function existed, it would lead to contradictions in topology, particularly regarding the degree of maps from the circle to itself.
  • Others argue that a function taking on both square roots would be discontinuous, using specific examples of complex numbers to illustrate this point.
  • A participant introduces a function G defined on ##\mathbb{C}\setminus \{0\}## and shows that continuity leads to contradictions regarding the values of f at specific points.
  • Another participant suggests that if f is holomorphic, differentiating at zero leads to a contradiction, implying that such a function cannot exist.
  • Some participants express interest in alternative solutions and generalizations related to the challenge.

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This is a well-known result in complex analysis. But let's see what people come up with anyway:

Challenge:
Prove that there is no continuous function ##f:\mathbb{C}\rightarrow \mathbb{C}## such that ##(f(x))^2 = x## for each ##x\in \mathbb{C}##.
 
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Suppose such a function existed and consider the map g:S1→S1 given by restriction. Then the degree of g2 is a multiple of two but the degree of idS1 is one. This contradiction completes the proof.
 
Suppose a function [itex]f[/itex] did exist. For a complex number [itex]z=Re^{i\theta}[/itex], the only two square roots are [itex]\pm \sqrt{R}e^{\frac{i\theta}{2}}[/itex]. Call the function with the plus sign [itex]f_1[/itex] and the function with the minus sign [itex]f_2[/itex]

First let's show that a function that takes on the value [itex]f(z)=\sqrt{R}e^{\frac{i\theta}{2}}[/itex] for some z's and [itex]f(z)=-\sqrt{R}e^{\frac{i\theta}{2}}[/itex] for others is discontinuous.

For nonzero [itex]z_1=R_1e^{i\theta_1}[/itex] and [itex]z_2=R_2e^{i\theta_2}[/itex] assume that [itex]f(z_1)=\sqrt{R_1}e^{\frac{i\theta_1}{2}}[/itex] and [itex]f(z_2)=-\sqrt{R_2}e^{\frac{i\theta_2}{2}}[/itex].

Let [itex]\gamma:[0,1] \to ℂ[/itex] such that [itex]\gamma(0)=z_1[/itex] and [itex]\gamma(1)=z_2[/itex] be an injection and a parameterization of a path from [itex]z_1[/itex] to [itex]z_2[/itex] that does not pass through the origin . Let [itex]t'[/itex] be the infimum over all [itex]t \in [0,1][/itex] such that [itex]f(\gamma(t))= f_2(\gamma(t))[/itex]. It is easy to show that [itex]f[/itex] is discontinuous at [itex]\gamma(t')[/itex]

Now, we just have to deal with the case [itex]f=f_1[/itex] or [itex]f=f_2[/itex].

If [itex]f(z)=\sqrt{R}e^{\frac{i\theta}{2}}[/itex], where [itex]z=Re^{i\theta}[/itex], then we discover that f isn't really a function because [itex]Re^{i\theta}=Re^{i\theta+2\pi}[/itex] but [itex]f(Re^{i\theta+2\pi})=\sqrt{R}e^{\frac{i\theta}{2}+\pi} \neq \sqrt{R}e^{\frac{i\theta}{2}}=f(Re^{i\theta})[/itex] The case for [itex]f_2[/itex] is similar.
 
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OK, so that was definitely too easy for the smart crowd of people here :smile:

A big congratulations for jgens for his topological solution and for beating HS-Scientist in just a minute. But the latter did give a nice elementary solution. There are other solutions though, so if somebody finds them, please do post!
 
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what does a degree of a function g:S^1->S^1 mean?
 
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Anyway, my choice of words would be this: We define an operation [itex]f\mapsto g[/itex] by setting

[tex] g:[0,2\pi[\to\mathbb{C},\quad g(\theta)=f(e^{i\theta})[/tex]

The property [itex]f^2=\textrm{id}[/itex] implies

[tex] g(\theta)=\epsilon(\theta)e^{i\theta/2}[/tex]

with some function [itex]\epsilon:[0,2\pi[\to \{-1,1\}[/itex].

If [itex]f[/itex] is continuous (as anti-thesis), [itex]g[/itex] must be continuous too, which implies [itex]\epsilon(\theta)[/itex] is a constant. Then we find that [itex]\lim_{z\to 1}f(z)[/itex] does not exist.

In other words, I would prefer forcing the discontinuity somewhere with the assumptions.
 
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I might as well post my own solution. Fix ##z\neq 0##, consider the function

[tex]G(w) = \frac{f(z)f(w)}{f(zw)}[/tex]

This function is well defined on ##\mathbb{C}\setminus \{0\}##. By squaring, we see that

[tex]G(w) = \pm 1[/tex]

By continuity of ##G## and since ##\mathbb{C}\setminus \{0\}## is connected, we see that ##G## is constant, so we have

[tex]f(z)f(w) = f(zw)~\text{or}~f(z)f(w) = f(zw)[/tex]

By (if necessary) multiplying ##f## with ##-1##, we can assume that the first identity is satisfied. But then

[tex]f(1) = f(-1)f(-1) = (f(-1))^2 = -1[/tex]

but also

[tex]f(1) = f(1)f(1) = (f(1))^2 = 1[/tex]

Contradiction.
 
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Another solution: With a little voodoo we can actually show that f is holomorphic. This means that differentiating at zero tells us that 1 = 2f(0)f'(0) = 0 and then we are done.
 
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micromass said:
This is a well-known result in complex analysis. But let's see what people come up with anyway:

Challenge:
Prove that there is no continuous function ##f:\mathbb{C}\rightarrow \mathbb{C}## such that ##(f(x))^2 = x## for each ##x\in \mathbb{C}##.
I've done this proof before. I did it using the definition of continuity of complex functions by the continuity of their real and imaginary parts, id est, given ##x=a+bi## and ##f(x)=u(a,b)+iv(a,b)## for real numbers ##a## and ##b## and real valued functions ##u## and ##v##, ##f## is continuous at ##x_0=a_0+ib_0## if and only if $$\lim_{(a,b)\rightarrow(a_0,b_0)}[u+iv]=u(a_0,b_0)+iv(a_0,b_0)=f(x_0).$$ I can see if I can find my proof later if anyone is interested, but it essentially came down to a statement like "if ##u## is continuous, ##v## is not."

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If you find this too easy, then there is this generalization:
Given ##n## points on a plane. If they do not all lie on a straight line, then there is a straight line in the plane that contains exactly two of the points.
Suppose ##n=1##. :biggrin:
 
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