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The discussion revolves around the challenge of creating each integer from 1 to 100 using exactly four instances of the number 4 and basic mathematical operations. Participants share various solutions, with some emphasizing the need for simplicity and avoiding the use of decimals or square roots. There is a debate about the inclusion of certain mathematical functions like factorials and logarithms, with some participants advocating for stricter rules to maintain the challenge's integrity. A few numbers remain unsolved, specifically 89, 91, and 93, prompting ongoing collaboration among users to find valid solutions. The conversation highlights creativity in mathematical problem-solving while adhering to specific constraints.
  • #31
Opening this back up because we still need 89, 91,93!
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
Opening this back up because we still need 89, 91,93!
What are the rules? What is wrong with the 93 above using sqrt and ! .

Is % allowed?
 
  • #33
I am thinking about the 'rules' and I think 0.4 is a cheat.

It implies 10. The decimalised column is 'Base 10' and infers a number which is only the value '0.4' by virtue of the assumption the base is 10 and thus the decimal column is worth "10^-1".

If you work in the bizarre base of 'Base 1/22.5' (i.e. the number "10" = 2/45ths (denary)) rather than 'Base 10' you can ALSO include a reference to the required base value using a '4'.

.4 + (4/4) (Base { 0.0\bar{4}})
and
.4 - (4/4) (Base { 0.0\bar{4}})

I am not using zeros any more than '.4' implies base 10, so the solution above should be no more nor less 'allowed' than .4 .

Thoughts?
 
  • #34
93 can be done.

## 93 = 4 \cdot 4! - \frac{4!}{4!} ##
 
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  • #36
Let ! be the operator such that x! = 89.x/(4+4+4+4)

Therefore

89 = (4+4+4+4)!

When we apply arbitrary rules to what mathematics "means" and when an answer is "right" or "wrong", then it isn't really mathematics any more, it is more like politics or accountancy!
 

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