Change in concentration in equilibrium caused by addition

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of adding various species to a chemical equilibrium involving Cu2+ and Fe2+ ions. Participants explore how the addition of different ions influences the concentrations of reactants and products at equilibrium, as well as the implications for the equilibrium constant.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that adding Cu2+ ions would not change its concentration at equilibrium, but questions arise about the implications of this addition.
  • Another participant requests the formula for the equilibrium constant, which is subsequently provided.
  • A participant corrects the initial equilibrium constant formula by noting that solid copper does not have a concentration, thus it should not be included in the equilibrium expression.
  • There is a discussion about the effect of adding solid copper on the reaction rates, with one participant asserting that it would not affect the concentration of Cu2+ ions due to the equal increase in both forward and backward reaction rates.
  • Participants discuss the general rule that adding solid reactants or products does not change the concentrations of chemicals in equilibrium, and that the reaction rates increase equally in both directions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the principle that adding solids does not change the concentrations of the chemicals at equilibrium. However, there is some uncertainty regarding the implications of adding Cu2+ ions and how it affects the equilibrium state.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the behavior of the system when different ions are added, particularly concerning the implications of adding Cu2+ ions and the role of solid copper in the reaction.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students studying chemical equilibrium, particularly those interested in the effects of concentration changes on equilibrium states and the application of equilibrium constants.

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Homework Statement



Cu2+ ions react with Fe2+ ions according to the following reaction.

Cu2+ + 2Fe2+ --> Cu + 2Fe3+

At equilibrium, the concentration of Cu2+ ions is not changed by the addition of
  1. A) Cu2++
  2. B) Fe2+
  3. C) Cu
  4. D) Fe3+.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I chose A through elimination.

B won't work because the equilibrium will shift to the right if Fe2+ is added.

C and D won't work because the equilibrium will shift to the right.

Therefore A seems the most correct. However, if Cu2+ is added, then the equilibrium will also shift to the right. This means that it shifts to the right until the Cu2+ concentration is back to what it was before which seems impossible. Could someone shed some light on this?
 
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Can you write formula for the equilibrium constant for this problem?
 
$$\frac {[Cu][Fe^{3+}]^2} {[Cu^{2+}][Fe^{2+}]^2}$$

This is the equilibrium constant. (took me a while to get the latex working)
 
Not exactly. Solid copper is not dissolved, so it doesn't have a concentration.
 
I see, so since it isn't dissolved, adding solid copper wouldn't change it's concentration. But won't it will still increase the backwards rate of reaction so it will still affect the Cu2+ concentration? This is the best I could come up with from the comment.
 
Changes in the amount of solid change both forward and backward reaction speed in exactly the same way, the net effect cancels out.

That's why there are no solids in the equilibrium formula (we assume activity of the solids equals exactly 1).
 
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I see, so as a rule, is this correct?

If solid reactants or products is added to a system already in equilibrium, the concentrations of all chemicals will stay the same; the reaction rate will increase equally in both directions.

Thank you very much!
 
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If solid reactants or products is added to a system already in equilibrium, the concentrations of all chemicals will stay the same; the reaction rate will increase equally in both directions.

And the equilibrium won't shift in any direction.
 
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Cheers! This is useful knowledge!
 

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