Change in gravitational potential energy for a slender

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The discussion revolves around calculating the change in gravitational potential energy for a slender rod as it rotates from an initial angle of theta = 0 to a later angle of theta = theta_0. The original poster expresses difficulty in accounting for the varying distances moved by different points along the rod.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the idea of treating the rod as a collection of points to calculate potential energy. The original poster questions how to generalize the approach for different configurations, while others clarify terminology and confirm the validity of a proposed expression for potential energy.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications and confirming expressions related to gravitational potential energy. There is a focus on ensuring a clear understanding of the problem setup and the assumptions involved.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of a desire for an analytical approach that avoids intuitive reasoning, indicating a preference for a rigorous mathematical treatment. The original poster also notes the complexity introduced by the varying movement of points along the rod.

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Homework Statement



I'll provide a picture for a clearer view: http://i.imgur.com/wkXPcJn.jpg

Suppose that the slender rod starts at rest at theta = 0. For convenience we chose the datum at theta = 0.
Now I want to calculate the gravitational potential energy at a later instant when theta = theta_0. But it's tricky since some points of the rod have moved a distance (0.6+0.2)sin(theta_0) and some points have not moved at all. So how does one deal with this case? I have a solution but how should I do in the general case?

Just to be clear: I am looking for an analytical approach to it that does not involve some intuition because that can
be dangerous...

The Attempt at a Solution



Think of the slender rod as a huge amounts of points uniformly spread. For each point at one side of the mass center there is a point on the other side of the mass center so that the distance between these are the distance from O to the mass center. Hence it should be mg(0.6+0.2)sin(theta_0)/2
 
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zeralda21 said:

Homework Statement



I'll provide a picture for a clearer view: http://i.imgur.com/wkXPcJn.jpg

Suppose that the slender starts at rest at theta = 0. For convenience we chose the datum at theta = 0.
Now I want to calculate the gravitational potential energy at a later instant when theta = theta_0. But it's tricky since some points of the slender have moved a distance (0.6+0.2)sin(theta_0) and some points have not moved at all. So how does one deal with this case? I have a solution but how should I do in the general case?

Just to be clear: I am looking for an analytical approach to it that does not involve some intuition because that can
be dangerous...

The Attempt at a Solution



Think of the slender as a huge amounts of points uniformly spread. For each point at one side of the mass center there is a point on the other side of the mass center so that the distance between these are the distance from O to the mass center. Hence it should be mg(0.6+0.2)sin(theta_0)/2
A slender what ?

The word slender is not a noun.
 
I am sorry. I thought slender and rod is the same thing. I mean a slender rod
 
Yes.

mg((0.6+0.2)/2)sin(θ0) is a valid expression for the gravitational potential energy of the rod.
 

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