Changing the inertial reference frame to follow a mass in a collision

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The discussion revolves around the implications of changing the inertial reference frame during a collision analysis, particularly focusing on how this affects the interpretation of final velocities in elastic collisions. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics and collision theory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the effects of following a mass in a collision and question whether this truly constitutes a change in the inertial frame. There are discussions about the accuracy of velocity measurements in different frames and the implications for momentum conservation. Some participants suggest deriving equations under different conditions to understand the effects better.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the validity of assumptions regarding inertial frames and the potential complications that arise from changing frames. Some guidance is offered regarding the derivation of equations in different scenarios, but no consensus has been reached on the implications of these changes.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of homework constraints, specifically the requirement to discuss simplifications in equations when changing reference frames and the potential downsides of this approach in the context of elastic collisions. Participants are also considering the need to revert to the original frame when calculating energy.

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Homework Statement


We could change to inertial reference frame in a collision to follow a mass. But what would the down side be if we did?


Homework Equations


Vf1=(M1-M2)/(M1+M2)*Vi1 +2M2/(M1+M2)*Vi2

Vf2=2M1/(M1+M2)*Vi1 +(M1-M2)/(M1+M2)*Vi2

The Attempt at a Solution


This question appears too simple and my teacher doesn't want to even tell me I'm partially right. But it seems that if you followed one mass the final velocity would be higher it actually is, it is higher by the speed of the object that we follow. If you play around with the equation you see that this is true... i think.
So am I right or wrong. And, if I'm right, what am I missing?
 
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Are you really changing the inertial frame of reference? For instance, my measurement of both velocities could be off if I were in motion. Say one of the masses and I were moving at the same rate, it would appear motionless just as cars do when traveling at the same speed. So what you consider an absolute velocity doesn't really matter, so long as all are in the same inertial frame of reference and the relative velocities are accurate.

In fact all objects could be subject to uniform acceleration--say in free fall and momenta would be still conserved.
 
This is the actual question
"Discuss how the two equations might be simplified if we choose a different inertial reference frame for some problem under consideration. Explain the potential downside in taking this approach in solving elastic collision problems in one dimension."
 
Ok I think see what he wants: did you derive the above equations yourself or look them up.

You might try deriving those in 2 different cases: when both masses have non-zero velocities and then again when one mass has an initial velocity of zero. The latter is not too bad, the former derivation is fairly ugly. The drawback may be in forgetting to convert back to the initial frame of reference when computing energy.
 

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