Charge of Proton & Electron: Explained

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The discussion centers around the nature of electric charge, specifically addressing why protons are considered positively charged and electrons negatively charged. Participants explore the origins of charge, the intrinsic properties of particles, and the role of symmetry in particle physics. The scope includes theoretical and conceptual aspects of particle physics.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the designation of protons as positive and electrons as negative is arbitrary and based on historical naming conventions.
  • Others express uncertainty about the fundamental reason why protons and electrons possess charge, indicating that it may simply be a characteristic of nature.
  • One participant introduces the concept of intrinsic properties of elementary particles, mentioning that protons are composed of quarks that carry fractional charges.
  • A later reply discusses the relationship between charge and symmetry groups in physics, specifically referencing the U(1) group and how it leads to the existence of two different electric charges.
  • There is a debate about whether the group theoretic approach provides genuine explanations or merely descriptive frameworks for understanding charge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the origin of charge or the nature of the explanation regarding why protons and electrons have their respective charges. Multiple competing views remain, with some focusing on historical naming and others on theoretical frameworks.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the fundamental nature of charge and the dependence on definitions related to symmetry in particle physics. There are unresolved questions regarding the explanatory power of the proposed theories.

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What makes and gives a proton a positive charge and an electron a negative charge?
 
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I'm not sure of your question... If your asking why is a proton "positive" and an electron "negative", it is because we named them that because of the way the two types of charges seem to cancel each other out. We could have just as easily called a proton negative and an electron positive and we would get the same results.

If you are asking why do protons and electrons have charge in the first place, I don't think anyone has an answer to this question. As far as we know, it is just the way nature happens to be.
 
their instrinct properties I guess, well the proton is considered to be build of quarks which carries charges in fracions of 3. But as GO1 wrote, it is just they way nature is.
 
thanks for the help! :)
 
stochastic said:
What makes and gives a proton a positive charge and an electron a negative charge?
It's still not clear whether you were asking about the origin of charge itself,
or just why proton is +1 and electron is -1. I'll assume the former, since that
question is more interesting... :wink:

All intrinsic properties of elementary particles have their origin in how
they transform under certain symmetry groups. In the case of electromagnetism,
the group is U(1), i.e: multiplication by a phase factor exp(i theta). For this
group, there are 2 inequivalent representations: you can multiply by
exp(i theta), or by its complex conjugate exp(-i theta). Elementary particles
can be classified by how they transform under such symmetry groups, i.e:
the Poincare group of special relativity, and certain internal symmetry
groups - of which electromagnetic U(1) is just one. The number of different
inequivalent representations of these groups determines how many different
charges there are. In the case of U(1), there are two inequivalent
representations as I mentioned above, and this manifests in nature as
two different electric charges.

The question of whether all this is genuinely "explanatory" or merely
"descriptive" is debatable - but I still think it's interesting, and the whole
group theoretic approach to elementary particles has been stunningly
successful over the past 50-60 years.
 

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