Checking a proof of a basic property of prime numbers

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The discussion revolves around a proof concerning a property of prime numbers, specifically addressing the statement: if p is prime and m, n are positive integers such that p divides mn, then either p divides n or p divides m. Participants are reviewing the original poster's proof and reasoning.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants question the validity of the original proof's reasoning, particularly regarding the factors of p and the implications of q dividing m or n. There are discussions about whether the chosen strategy is appropriate and if alternative approaches might yield clearer results.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided feedback on the proof, pointing out potential issues with the reasoning and suggesting that the original poster clarify certain assumptions. There is an ongoing exploration of the proof's structure and the properties that can be utilized.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster's text has defined the greatest common divisor and includes a theorem about the uniqueness of the greatest common divisor for two nonzero integers, which may be relevant to their proof strategy.

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Homework Statement


Prove: If p is prime and m, n are positive integers such that p divides mn, then either p divides n or p divides m.

Is anyone willing to look through this proof and give me comments on the following: a) my reasoning within the strategy I chose (validity, any constraints or cases I might have missed), b) the strategy I chose (was it a good one, is there a better one, some other angle I might have taken), and c) my presentation (messiness, inelegance)?

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The Attempt at a Solution


Here's my proof.

If p divides mn, then there must be some positive integer q such that mn = pq. Then (mn)/q = p is prime. The factors of p are m/q and n. Since p is prime, one of these factors must be equal to 1. Therefore either

a) n = 1

or

b) m/q = 1.

If a) holds, then mn = m = pq and we see that p divides m.

If b) holds, then m = q, and so mn = qn = pq, which means p = n and so p divides n (with quotient of 1).

Therefore, if p divides mn, then either p divides m or p divides n, as desired.
 
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or p divides both m and n.
 
rcgldr said:
or p divides both m and n.

That's not nessecary in the proof. If p divides both m and n, p divides obviously m or n.
 
Ghost Repeater said:

Homework Statement


Prove: If p is prime and m, n are positive integers such that p divides mn, then either p divides n or p divides m.

Is anyone willing to look through this proof and give me comments on the following: a) my reasoning within the strategy I chose (validity, any constraints or cases I might have missed), b) the strategy I chose (was it a good one, is there a better one, some other angle I might have taken), and c) my presentation (messiness, inelegance)?

Homework Equations

[/B]n/a

The Attempt at a Solution


Here's my proof.

If p divides mn, then there must be some positive integer q such that mn = pq. Then (mn)/q = p is prime. The factors of p are m/q and n. Since p is prime, one of these factors must be equal to 1. Therefore either

a) n = 1

or

b) m/q = 1.

If a) holds, then mn = m = pq and we see that p divides m.

If b) holds, then m = q, and so mn = qn = pq, which means p = n and so p divides n (with quotient of 1).

Therefore, if p divides mn, then either p divides m or p divides n, as desired.
You can't conclude that ##m/q## and ##n## are integer factors of ##mn/q##.

##q## might divide neither ##m## nor ##n##.
 
Ghost Repeater said:

Homework Statement


Prove: If p is prime and m, n are positive integers such that p divides mn, then either p divides n or p divides m.

Is anyone willing to look through this proof and give me comments on the following: a) my reasoning within the strategy I chose (validity, any constraints or cases I might have missed), b) the strategy I chose (was it a good one, is there a better one, some other angle I might have taken), and c) my presentation (messiness, inelegance)?

Homework Equations

[/B]n/a

The Attempt at a Solution


Here's my proof.

If p divides mn, then there must be some positive integer q such that mn = pq. Then (mn)/q = p is prime. The factors of p are m/q and n. Since p is prime, one of these factors must be equal to 1. Therefore either

a) n = 1

or

b) m/q = 1.

If a) holds, then mn = m = pq and we see that p divides m.

If b) holds, then m = q, and so mn = qn = pq, which means p = n and so p divides n (with quotient of 1).

Therefore, if p divides mn, then either p divides m or p divides n, as desired.

What results do you have available already? What properties are you allowed to use?
 
Ray Vickson said:
What results do you have available already? What properties are you allowed to use?

The text I'm using has so far defined the greatest common divisor and gives the theorem (with proof) that two nonzero integers a and b have a unique positive greatest common divisor.

I'll try to use these to make the proof. Thanks!
 
PeroK said:
You can't conclude that ##m/q## and ##n## are integer factors of ##mn/q##.

##q## might divide neither ##m## nor ##n##.

I see! Thanks for the heads up!
 

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