Chem Eq Balancing - underdetermined system?

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The discussion revolves around balancing a chemical equation with an underdetermined system, specifically addressing the challenge of having more unknowns than equations. Participants explore the implications of this situation in chemical balancing and the methods to derive solutions.

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  • One participant notes that having fewer equations than unknowns is not unusual in chemical balancing and suggests that the requirement for integer coefficients can serve as an additional constraint.
  • Another participant points out that the proposed equation lacks chemical validity, indicating that the right side should include either H2SO4 or separate H+ and SO42- to ensure charge balance, which would introduce another equation.
  • Multiple potential solutions to the balancing problem are presented, showing different combinations of reactants and products that satisfy the equation.
  • A participant describes their approach as "brute force" and suggests using one of the existing equations as a parameter to explore integer values for solutions.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the chemical equation and the methods for balancing it. There is no consensus on a single correct approach or solution, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

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The discussion highlights the limitations of the initial equations and the assumptions made regarding the chemical species involved. The dependence on integer coefficients and the need for charge balance are critical factors that remain unresolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to chemistry students, educators, and professionals dealing with chemical equation balancing and related mathematical challenges.

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Ultimately, I have 4 equations with 6 unknowns. I found the correct answer through a chem calculator, but I'm wondering how it computed the balanced equation.

Any insight much appreciated!
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Jeff
 
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First of all - that's nothing unusual to have one less equation when balancing. That doesn't stop us from getting to the answer, as we know that all coefficients must be integer and the smallest possible, this condition is strong enough to serve as additional equation.

Second - this equation doesn't make a chemical sense. I understand that's not a problem you have to deal with, but chemically on the right you should have either H2SO4 (one molecule, one unknown less) or H+ and SO42- - charge must be balanced, that gives you an additional equation.

That's all for now, perhaps more comments later.
 
Here comes more. There is plenty of solutions.

2SO2 + 1NO3 + 2H2O -> 4H + 2SO4 + 1NO

3SO2 + 1NO3 + 4H2O -> 8H + 3SO4 + 1NO

3SO2 + 2NO3 + 2H2O -> 4H + 3SO4 + 2NO

and so on.
 
Thanks Borek - any insight into how you arrived at any of those answers?

Jeff
 
Brute force. But you may try to start with the set of equations you already have, and assume x1 to be a parameter and check what you get for different integer values of x1.
 

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