Chemical Garden, deeper conceptual explanation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the growth rates of metal salts in chemical gardens, exploring the physical and chemical processes involved. Participants examine factors influencing the growth, such as the solubility of metal salts in sodium silicate and the properties of the silicate membranes.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the growth process is primarily physical, driven by density differences and osmotic processes.
  • Another participant proposes that the speed of water transport through the silicate membrane is a critical factor in growth rates.
  • A question is raised about how the type of metal might affect growth rates, specifically regarding the bond strength between metal cations and silicate.
  • It is noted that a tighter lattice structure could potentially slow the growth rate, although quantifying this "tightness" is uncertain.
  • Participants discuss the variability in mechanical strength and permeability of different silicate membranes, suggesting these properties influence the growth dynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses regarding the factors affecting growth rates, with no consensus reached on the primary influences or mechanisms involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the silicate membranes and their hydration states, which may affect the growth process. There are unresolved questions about the quantification of certain properties and the specific mechanisms at play.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying chemical processes, material science, or anyone curious about the dynamics of chemical gardens and related phenomena.

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Hey there, I am curious why certain metal salts grow faster in a chemical garden. As I understand, the growth is more of a physical process than a chemical one. The difference in density causes the metal silicate to rise in solution, and osmotic processes inflate the tubes.

However, at least initially, I suspect how quickly the metal salt dissolves in the sodium silicate is proportional to how quickly the tubes grow.

I have observed for example that cobalt (II) chloride hexahydrate grows faster than iron (II) sulfate heptahydrate. What could be the theoretical explanation for the difference in growth rate for these two substances?

There is not a lot of information on the actual process behind these gardens online. Thanks.
 
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Just a personal opinion: probably the most important factor is the speed of water transport through the silicate membrane.
 
How would the type of metal affect this rate? Could it be proportional to the bond strength between the metal cation and the silicate? In other words a tighter lattice would slow the rate?
 
mishima said:
In other words a tighter lattice would slow the rate?

Yes, that's what I would expect, although I have no idea how to precisely quantify the "tightness". Different silicates can probably take different forms, arrangement of atoms in the membrane is probably to some extent ordered (as in crystals) and to some extent anisotropic, depending on the scale. These membranes are highly hydrated, so their properties are quite different from the crystalline silicates of respective metals.

Definitely mechanical strength and permeability of different membranes will vary, some combination of these will be responsible for how easily the membrane breaks and how fast the "branches" grow.
 

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