Chess board probability

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the probability that two randomly chosen squares from a chessboard share exactly one corner. The context is rooted in combinatorial probability and geometric arrangements on a grid.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various methods for counting favorable outcomes and total possibilities, including combinations and ordered pairs. There is a recognition of potential double counting in the original approach.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning the validity of initial counting methods and exploring alternative strategies. Some guidance has been offered regarding the counting of pairs and the implications of ordering in probability calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of counting cases without repetitions and the challenge of accurately determining the number of pairs that share exactly one corner. There is an acknowledgment of different approaches, including both quicker and slower methods to arrive at the probability.

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Homework Statement


2 squares are chosen at random from a chess board.What is the chance that these 2 squares will share exactly 1 corner?

Homework Equations


P=favourable possibilities/Total possibilities

The Attempt at a Solution


So,the total no of possibilities should be 64C2.
Now,for favourable...
For the 4 corners,only 1 square is possible,so 4 cases.
For one side(excluding the corners) there can be 2 squares for every square we choose.,i.e
6×2=12 cases in on side...48 cases for all sides.
Now,we are done with the borders and are just left with the middle ones.
For each middle one there can be 4 possible squares..i.e,
36×4=144 cases
Summing up,we get P=(4+48+144)/64C2
=196/64C2
Is this correct or have i missed (or added) something?
 
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You are double counting.
 
Ooh yeah..I got it..so how do you suggest I find out the possible cases?
I see now that there are lots of repetitions,so it won't be possible to subtract them..i guess.
So,i think I need a new method.
 
Well, you can either count combinations (in which case you are double counting in the nominator) or you count ordered combinations (in which case you are under-counting the denominator by a factor of two).
 
I didn't get you..how exactly??
Say I take unordered pairs(I'll divide the entire thing by 2 in the end)
Now how do I find out how many pairs exist on a chessboard which have only one corner in common?
 
What do you mean? You already counted the ordered pairs in the first post. Your counting essentially was picking the first square of the ordered pair and checking the possibilities for placing the second.
 
Oh...so you are saying that just dividing the entire thing by 2 will give my answer?
 
Right.
 
There is a slightly quicker way. Count the possible corners, then double.
 
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haruspex said:
There is a slightly quicker way. Count the possible corners, then double.
Umm...sorry??
Possible corners of which square?
The one which is itself at the corner,the one at the side or the one in the middle?
 
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Tanishq Nandan said:
Umm...sorry??
Possible corners of which square?
The one which is itself at the corner,the one at the side or the one in the middle?
For every corner (i.e., where 4 squares meet) in the interior of the board, there are two possible (unordered) pairs, white-white and black-black. You are computing the total number of possible pairs of squares that are diagonally adjacent. Since there are 49 such crossings, the number of unordered diagonal pairs is 49*2 = 98. Divide with the total number of unordered pairs 64C2 and you get your probability.
 
  • #12
haruspex said:
There is a slightly quicker way. Count the possible corners, then double.

There's also a slower way to do it. Work out the probability directly where the first square is a corner, edge or interior.

The good thing about the slow way is that you don't have to be so clever to get the answer.
 

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