China & Korea: Potential Threats?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the perceived threats posed by China and North Korea to global stability and security. Participants explore various aspects of these threats, including military actions, historical context, and the implications of foreign policies. The conversation touches on geopolitical dynamics, national security, and the broader implications of power relations among nations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that China and North Korea represent possible areas of conflict due to military threats and nuclear ambitions.
  • Others question the characterization of North Korea as a "threat," suggesting that the term implies an active capability that may not apply given the country's internal struggles.
  • There are claims that the United States poses a significant threat through its foreign policy and military presence globally, potentially overshadowing the threats from China and North Korea.
  • Some participants highlight the historical context of U.S. actions and question the narrative that positions the U.S. as a stabilizing force compared to China and North Korea.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of U.S. cultural exports and their potential negative impact on global values and societies.
  • References to historical events, such as the Marshall Plan, are made to discuss the evolution of global power dynamics and the resulting peace in the Western world.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on whether China and North Korea are the primary threats or if the U.S. should be viewed in a similar light. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the nature of threats and the implications of national policies.

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Some statements rely on assumptions about the definitions of "threat" and "peace," which are not universally agreed upon. The discussion includes references to specific events and policies that may not be fully elaborated or agreed upon by all participants.

Greater threat to world peace?

  • China and/or North Korea?

    Votes: 7 50.0%

  • USA?

    Votes: 7 50.0%
  • Total voters
    14
  • #31
Polly said:
The unification has more to do with vanity. Our leaders want to go down in history as the one who units China. Since 10 years ago, Taiwanese businessmen started pulling their expertise and capital away from Taiwan and pouring them into the Southern coastal provinces and that is why Taiwanese economy has been ailing with no prospect of recovery. And Hong Kong, is fast dwindling into the Chicago of China.

Our? you are chinese? Taiwanese (depending on your politics, if you don't mind me calling you that as a nationality)?

Either case, do you also feel that Taiwan is a idealogical slap in the face to mainland China?
 
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  • #32
phatmonky said:
Our? you are chinese? Taiwanese (depending on your politics, if you don't mind me calling you that as a nationality)?

Either case, do you also feel that Taiwan is a idealogical slap in the face to mainland China?
I think Polly lives in Hong Kong, which is a special administrative region within the People's Republic of China.
 
  • #33
Zero said:
Are your numbers representative of the relative size of the corporations, or are they misleading(intentionally or not)? In other words, are the total dollar amounts done by the Danish companies greater than those of America?


Transnational corporations (parents) (per capita)
1. Denmark 1737.61 per 1 million people
2. Israel 708.57 per 1 million people
3. Switzerland 615.68 per 1 million people
4. Sweden 576.47 per 1 million people
5. Iceland 277.77 per 1 million people

The U.S. falls in at 25th

Transnational corporations (parents) (per $ GDP)
1. Denmark 6.02e-06 per $100
2. Israel 3.69e-06 per $100
3. Sweden 2.21e-06 per $100
4. Switzerland 1.93e-06 per $100
5. Iceland 9.23e-07 per $100

The U.S. falls in at 34th

http://www.nationmaster.com/
 
  • #34
Oh come on Kat. What are the GDP's and populations of those countries compared to the US?
 
  • #36
phatmonky said:
Perhaps you can show me where he said this, since you are the only result I have ever found of this statement..

"Washington is now a corporate-occupied territory."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4304155/

Close enough but I was pretty sure that I got the quote right. I'm not sure if I missed the mark a little, perhaps while trying to write while still listening, or if the interview has been cleaned up a little...not sure.
 
  • #37
For the remainder of the board who aren't absolutely worthless:
You figured out how to get threads you don't like locked. Bravo.
Now, several times at least one person has brought up the idea that China and North Korea are possible threats. Personally I can think of another country which has attacked and invaded other countries far more often over the past century or so. But why would these two be considered a threat to any other nation?
The truth is, they're both dangerous. China and North Korea are both totalitarian expansionist regiemes, but benefit enough from free trade which requires regional stability that they don't attack and conquer as much as they are capable of. Under rational leadership, the US is similar- a relatively benign economic superpower. It's just that sometimes, insane people grab power and threaten to turn the clock back, because their friends or ideologies benefit from war. Weighing the threat from the USA with Korea and China, you have to look at what they do, not simply what you think their intentions are.
 
  • #38
kat said:
Transnational corporations (parents) (per capita)
1. Denmark 1737.61 per 1 million people
2. Israel 708.57 per 1 million people
3. Switzerland 615.68 per 1 million people
4. Sweden 576.47 per 1 million people
5. Iceland 277.77 per 1 million people

The U.S. falls in at 25th

Transnational corporations (parents) (per $ GDP)
1. Denmark 6.02e-06 per $100
2. Israel 3.69e-06 per $100
3. Sweden 2.21e-06 per $100
4. Switzerland 1.93e-06 per $100
5. Iceland 9.23e-07 per $100

The U.S. falls in at 34th

http://www.nationmaster.com/


That's still misleading. Good try, though, and thanks for the stats and the link.
 
  • #39
schwarzchildradius said:
You figured out how to get threads you don't like locked. Bravo.
.

We're on page three, not locked, and I'm still going strong. Nice assumption.
 
  • #40
phatmonky said:
We're on page three, not locked, and I'm still going strong. Nice assumption.
Don't push your luck...
 
  • #41
schwarzchildradius said:
*SNIP

The truth is, they're both dangerous. China and North Korea are both totalitarian expansionist regiemes, but benefit enough from free trade which requires regional stability that they don't attack and conquer as much as they are capable of. Under rational leadership, the US is similar- a relatively benign economic superpower. It's just that sometimes, insane people grab power and threaten to turn the clock back, because their friends or ideologies benefit from war. Weighing the threat from the USA with Korea and China, you have to look at what they do, not simply what you think their intentions are.
Evidence? North Korean nuclear powered and nuclear armed subs in the Gulf of Mexico? Chinese Red Army bases in Andorra? I think not.
 
  • #42
Zero said:
Don't push your luck...

Hey now, I've done my best to be a productive input to this thread. He made the assumption and comment to me. I was well on topic my captain :-p
 
  • #43
Zero said:
That's still misleading. Good try, though, and thanks for the stats and the link.


Why is it misleading? What part of "The US isn't doing that" don't you get?
 
  • #44
phatmonky said:
You know, instead of continuing to make yourself look foolish, why don't you stop TRYING to prove me wrong/stupid/etc. as your sole point for being here?

No where in your post is there even the quote that Ivan and myself are speaking about.

Second post on second page:
Ivan Seeking: "From the hopeless second runner up in the presidential election this year - Ralph Nader: "Corporations now occupy Washington"

Phatmonky: "Perhaps you can show me where he said this, since you are the only result I have ever found of this statement."

You lacked information, and commented about it. I provided that information. Get over it.
 
  • #45
Adam said:
Second post on second page:


You lacked information, and commented about it. I provided that information. Get over it.
Hiss Hiss, Whine Whine...get off my nuts. THat's not the quote.


And to keep this on track...
Are you planning on answer the tibet and starvation questions that no one wants to touch?
 
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  • #46
Why on Earth are ANY of you talking about Ralph Nader??

Njorl
 
  • #47
Wasn't he the Greatest American Hero?
 
  • #48
Adam said:
Wasn't he the Greatest American Hero?


phatmonky said:
And to keep this on track...
Are you planning on answer the tibet and starvation questions that no one wants to touch?

again I say!
 

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