China’s Advanced TOKAMAK Experiment: Challenges & Solutions

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The discussion revolves around China's recent development of an experimental advanced superconductive TOKAMAK and the challenges associated with using TOKAMAK technology for controlled nuclear fusion. Participants express skepticism about the experiment's advancement and seek to understand the technical hurdles faced in achieving successful fusion reactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism regarding the advancement of China's TOKAMAK experiment, questioning its capabilities and the reported cost of $40 million.
  • One participant outlines the primary challenges in TOKAMAK technology, including achieving and maintaining high plasma temperatures and the stability of magnetic confinement.
  • Another participant notes that the $40 million is for an upgrade to the existing HT-7 tokamak rather than a new machine, suggesting that the article may have been misleading.
  • There are references to other countries, such as Japan and Russia, having their own TOKAMAK reactors, indicating a broader context of international fusion research.
  • Some participants mention specific records held by other TOKAMAKs, such as JT-60U and JET, which are larger and have achieved notable fusion metrics compared to HT-7.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express skepticism about the capabilities of the Chinese TOKAMAK experiment, and there is no consensus on the validity of the claims made in the original article. Multiple competing views regarding the status and effectiveness of different TOKAMAKs remain present.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the specifics of the HT-7 upgrade and its potential for achieving fusion, as well as the implications of the reported costs and capabilities of the Chinese experiment.

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I recently read from newspapers that china has built a experimental advanced superconductive TOKAMAK , and such an experiment is going to set about. It also mentioned if the experiment exceeded, China would be the first country on the planet owing such a experimental equipment.I just roughly translate the article to english, of course the article didn't mention the detail of this apparatus which costs "only" 40 million US dollars.
As a skeptic,I really doubt how advanced this experiment is.It seems that it's designed basing upon the principle of controlled nuclear fusion of TOKAMAK, which had been the focus of fusion research quite long ago.
so here I eagerly yearn to know what's the problem encountered by researchers when applying TOKAMAK equipment to trigger fusion reaction.AND is there a road through these barriers?
 
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good question...
 
The Tokamak (Toroidal Chamber) concept has been the main approach with respect to magnetic confinement systems, as opposed to inertial confinement.

The major problem has been one of heating the plasma to high enough temperatures to initiate and sustain the fusion reaction, while confining the plasma for sufficient time to allow more energy to be produced from the fusion reaction than is put into heating the plasma. The magnetic fields must be strong enough to contain the plasma in a stable configuration, and the pressure imposed by the magnetic field is proportional to B2.

Then there are other technical issues related to materials integrity and power conversion.

I doubt that the Chinese were able to manufacture a reasonable Tokamak for $40 million.
 
Here is a video of Tokamak.


http://www.jet.efda.org/pages/content/fusion2.html
 
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I thought Japan had Tokamak reactors for a while now..
 
They have, but it is not just them that have them. I think Russia has a few as well. Also, the page ludi_srbin linked should have information on Europe Tokamaks [JET - Joint European Torus].
 
For Japanese program, please see -

Fusion Plasma Research Program
Naka Fusion Institute
Japanese Atomic Energy Agency

JT-60 Homepage - http://www-jt60.naka.jaea.go.jp/HOME.html

JFT-2 Page - http://www-jt60.naka.jaea.go.jp/english/jft2m/html/jft2m.html

Some background on Tokamaks - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokamak
 
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chaoszen said:
I recently read from newspapers that china has built a experimental advanced superconductive TOKAMAK , and such an experiment is going to set about. It also mentioned if the experiment exceeded, China would be the first country on the planet owing such a experimental equipment.I just roughly translate the article to english, of course the article didn't mention the detail of this apparatus which costs "only" 40 million US dollars.
As a skeptic,I really doubt how advanced this experiment is.It seems that it's designed basing upon the principle of controlled nuclear fusion of TOKAMAK, which had been the focus of fusion research quite long ago.
so here I eagerly yearn to know what's the problem encountered by researchers when applying TOKAMAK equipment to trigger fusion reaction.AND is there a road through these barriers?

I read this article a while ago and we have a professor here who has some ties to this reactor. The $40 million is for an upgrade to the HT-7 tokamak, not for a new machine. The article was quite misleading about this. IIRC, the upgrade is to install superconducting poloidal field coils. HT-7 is a medium-sized limiter machine with a major radius of 1.22 m and a minor radius of 27 cm. I doubt that this machine will be performing any D-T fusion. It is been upgraded several times, and was originally in Russia under the name T-7.
 
ludi_srbin said:
Here is a video of Tokamak. http://www.jet.efda.org/pages/content/fusion2.html

I wonder what that was filmed with. I know that NSTX has a camera that was built by the Princeton Scientific Instruments that can record at 1 million frames per second. :eek:

Here are some more videos from NSTX. These aren't with the "super camera", but are with another one of their other fast cameras that can record 1000 frames per second.
 
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Geoff St. Germaine said:
HT-7 is a medium-sized limiter machine with a major radius of 1.22 m and a minor radius of 27 cm. QUOTE]
Seemingly much smaller than I thought
Maybe it has a longway to go to be able to achieve the 3 conditions.
 
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chaoszen said:
Seemingly much smaller than I thought
Maybe it has a longway to go to be able to achieve the 3 conditions.

AFAIK, JT-60U has the has the record for the highest fusion triple product, the record for the highest central ion temperature and the record for the largest equivalent Q (1.25). The other machine close to JT-60U is JET, both of which are considerably larger than HT-7.
 

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