Chirality of Naproxen: Explaining With CIP Rules

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The discussion centers on determining the chirality of the molecule Naproxen using the Cahn–Ingold–Prelog (CIP) rules. Participants explore the identification of the stereocenter and the application of the CIP rules to assign priorities to the substituents attached to the chiral carbon.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant identifies the stereocenter at the carbon where the carboxyl group meets the two benzene rings and expresses confusion about applying the CIP rules for determining priorities.
  • Another participant confirms the identification of the chiral center and lists the three groups attached to it: a hydrogen, a carbon with multiple oxygen atoms, and a carbon with three carbon atoms.
  • There is a discussion about how multiple bonds are treated in the CIP rules, with a participant recalling that multiple bonds count as equivalent single bonds.
  • A participant questions how to determine priorities when substituents include aromatic rings, expressing uncertainty about which branch to follow in such cases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the identification of the chiral center, but there is uncertainty and confusion regarding the application of the CIP rules, particularly in cases with multiple bonds and complex substituents. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct prioritization in certain scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in understanding the CIP rules, particularly in the context of multiple bonds and branching in substituents. There are unresolved questions about how to navigate these complexities when determining chirality.

Who May Find This Useful

Students studying organic chemistry, particularly those learning about chirality and stereochemistry, may find this discussion relevant.

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Homework Statement


determine and explain its chirality using the CIP rule
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CIP rules


The Attempt at a Solution


Hello

I've determined that the stereocenter of this molecule is at the carbon where the carboxyl group meets the two benzene rings.

I've done step one and rotated the stereocenter such that the hydrogen is facing back. However when deciding the priorities of the three constituents on the stereocenter I get a little confused.

When going down the chain, towards the aromatic rings that I'll encounter a double bond. I tried reading how these fit in with the CIP rules but I find them to be quite ambiguous.

And with the carboxyl group, when going down the chain, which direction do I have to go? Down the hydroxyl group on the double bonded oxygen? I

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You have identified the correct chiral center. These are the three groups I see.

Methyl
Ring
Carboxylic acid

I do not know what CIP rules are.
 
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Cahn–Ingold–Prelog
 
Your chiral carbon is attached to:

1) A hydrogen.
2) A carbon which is attached to 3 or so oxygen atoms (because m.ultiple bonds are counted as equivalent number of single bonds, from memory)
3) a carbon which is attached to 3 carbon atoms (same as above).

Can you do it now?
 
Yanick said:
Your chiral carbon is attached to:

1) A hydrogen.
2) A carbon which is attached to 3 or so oxygen atoms (because m.ultiple bonds are counted as equivalent number of single bonds, from memory)
3) a carbon which is attached to 3 carbon atoms (same as above).

Can you do it now?
Well since oxygen has a higher atomic number than carbon, I assume the carboxyl group has more priority.

However, intuitively, if I were to have another single aromatic ring in place of the carboxyl group, how would I go about going down the branches? Which would then be of highest priority? I get confused on where to go once you start having to decide which branch to take.
 

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