Choosing principal chain in the nomenclature of organic compounds

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the criteria for selecting the principal chain in the nomenclature of organic compounds, specifically alkanes. Participants explore the precedence of chain length versus the number of substituents in determining the principal chain, referencing IUPAC guidelines.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents two approaches for naming a compound, highlighting a 7-carbon chain with 2 substituents versus a 6-carbon chain with 4 substituents, questioning which should be the principal chain.
  • Another participant asserts that for alkanes, the longest chain should be prioritized first, though acknowledges complexity in other compound classes.
  • A different participant cites excerpts from the IUPAC Blue Book, suggesting that the number of substituents may take precedence over chain length in certain contexts.
  • One participant revises their earlier interpretation, concluding that while the longest chain generally has precedence, chains with more principal characteristic group substituents may be prioritized above both length and number of substituents.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the criteria for determining the principal chain, with some supporting the longest chain approach while others emphasize the importance of substituent count. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on the correct precedence.

Contextual Notes

The discussion references specific IUPAC guidelines, but interpretations of these rules vary among participants, leading to uncertainty about their application in this context.

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Homework Statement
Write the preferred IUPAC name for the following acyclic compound.
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In this question, I am not sure as to which of the following two chains should be considered as the principal chain.

Approach 1 (7 carbon chain, 2 substituents):
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4-methyl-4-(1,1-dimethylethyl)heptane

Approach 2 (6 carbon chain, 4 substituents):
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2,2,3-trimethyl-3-propylhexane

Clearly, the carbon chain is the longest in the first approach, but approach 2 has more substituents. In such scenarios, which of the two criteria takes precedence?
I found several conflicting responses on this subject, and would certainly appreciate confirmation. Thanks!
 
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For alkanes it is always longest first.

It gets more complicated for other classes of compounds.
 
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I too thought so. But, this is what I found in the IUPAC Blue Book:

"P-44.1 SENIORITY ORDER FOR PARENT STRUCTURES
When there is a choice, the senior parent structure is chosen by applying the following criteria, in order, until a decision is reached. These criteria must always be applied before those applicable to rings and ring systems (see P-44.2) and to chains (see P-44.3). Then criteria applicable to both chains and rings or ring systems given in P-44.4 are considered.

P-44.1.1 The senior parent structure has the maximum number of substituents corresponding to the principal characteristic group (suffix) or senior parent hydride in accord with the seniority of classes (P-41) and the seniority of suffixes (P-43)."

Further, it is stated in P-44.3,
"P-44.3 SENIORITY OF ACYCLIC CHAINS (THE PRINCIPAL CHAIN)
In an acyclic compound consisting of individual atoms, alike or different (an acyclic chain), the chain on which the nomenclature and numbering is based is called the ‘principal chain’. When there is a choice for the principal chain, the following criteria are applied, in the order listed, until a decision is reached.
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P-44.3.2 The principal chain has the greater number of skeletal atoms [criterion (b) in P-44.3]"

From what I understand, the above excerpts suggest that the number of substituents holds precedence over length of the chain.
Am I missing something here?
 
Sorry, I think I had misinterpreted this point. The longest carbon chain has precedence over a carbon chain with greater substituents. But, above both of those, a chain with more number of principal characteristic group as substituents is given priority.

"P-44.1.1 The senior parent structure has the maximum number of substituents corresponding to the principal characteristic group [\B] (suffix) or senior parent hydride in accord with the seniority of classes (P-41) and the seniority of suffixes (P-43)."

Based on this, I can conclude that 4-methyl-4-(1,1-dimethylethyl)heptane is the preferred name.
 

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