Choosing the Right 3-Way Valve for Dual Water Source Control

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The discussion revolves around selecting the appropriate type of 3-way valve for controlling two water sources feeding into a single reservoir. Participants explore various valve types, including direct-acting solenoid valves and their configurations, while considering factors such as flow direction and pressure conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks advice on using a 3-way valve to switch between two water sources, questioning the meaning of "universal" in this context.
  • Another participant suggests providing a manufacturer and part number for better assistance.
  • A participant shares a link to a catalog page and expresses uncertainty about whether the valves can meet the requirements for bidirectional flow.
  • One contributor explains that a universal valve can seal off internally at full rated pressure in all directions, contrasting it with normally open (NO) or normally closed (NC) valves that have specific IN and OUT ports.
  • Another participant describes their intended configuration and asks if using two universal 3-way valves would suffice, while also inquiring about the feasibility of using NO or NC valves given their setup.
  • A later reply indicates that if flow is only in one direction, an NO or NC valve may be adequate, but emphasizes the need for a universal valve if the configuration requires blocking flow regardless of pressure direction.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the help received and indicates a decision to purchase specific valves from McMaster.
  • Another participant notes that Asco manufactures similar solenoid valves and speculates on the sourcing of the McMaster valves.
  • A different suggestion is made to use two NO valves instead of a 3-way valve, proposing that this could be a more cost-effective solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the best valve configuration, with some advocating for universal valves while others suggest using NO valves. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal solution for the specific application.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various configurations and pressure conditions, but there is no consensus on the implications of these factors for valve selection. The discussion includes assumptions about flow direction and pressure that may not be fully clarified.

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I was wondering anyone could help me figure out the type of valve I need.

The application is I have two sources of water going into the same reservoir and I want to be able to switch between the two.

I am currently looking at Direct-Acting Solenoid Valves 3 way

Now I am noticing some say universal and wondering if this is the type I need? What does it mean by universal? I want the water to be able to flow in either direction. In and out.

Any suggestions and help is greatly appreciated thanks.
 
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A manufacture and part number would help us.
 
Cant figure out a way to bookmark this site but if you go to

http://www.mcmaster.com/

And catalog page 417 its at the top
Brass Three-Way Solenoid Valves

Looking at the diagram I'm not sure if it can do what I want if or if that's what the universal type is for.This is what I want:

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(periods/dots are just for proper alignment)

config 1:

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<---->|...|

config 2:

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...| _|<----->
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One of two sources can be selected and it can flow in both directions.

Thanks again, hope diagrams make sense
 
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These are generally low pressure valves made by Asco for example. A lot of these valves are "unbalanced" which means that pressure has a tendency to push the valve open. Thus, they can start leaking (internally) at a pressure below the normal operating pressure.

A universal valve (per Asco) is a valve that can seal off internally at full rated pressure in all directions such that it doesn't matter if the port is pressurized not (ie: it doesn't matter if the port is an IN or an OUT port). The cost for having this feature is generally higher solenoid power for any given Cv, thought that's not always the case since many times the solenoid is oversized anyway.

Other valves, such as 'Normally Open' or 'Normally Closed' have specific IN and OUT ports, and pressure in the opposite direction will cause the valve to leak. If you have a common, low pressure port that you're flowing to, you can probably use a NO or NC valve.

Edit: I see our posts overlapped. From the last post you seem to indicate that you could have higher pressure on the common port which means you'll need a universal one.
 
config 1:

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......|
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<-----|...|.../
...|\_|<---
<-----|...|

config 2:
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<-----|...|.../
...| _|<---
<-----|/..|


Heres the final looking application

Two solenoids are connected by a tube where there are two different inputs and output reservoirs. The two solenoids will be wired to together to switch at the same time.

So it seems if I got two of the 3way universal it would work?

Also if I wanted to use a NO or NC could I? Since the second solenoid has one input and two outputs does this matter?

Thanks again, I am extremely grateful.
 
From looking at your post #5, it looks like you only have flow in one direction (ie: pressure is always highest on the same side of your valve). If that's the case an NO or NC valve is fine. If the dP is low enough, it may still work just fine. If you need to operate the valve such that it blocks flow regardless of which port is pressurized, you need the universal one. Hope that helps.

oh... and welcome to the board :smile:
 
Thanks Q_Goest, you've been a great help!

Looks like I'm going to go with two of the

8111K45
Brass Three-Way Solenoid Valve with Side Port NC, 1/4" NPT Female, .09 Cv Factor, Viton Seat

from mcmaster, the ones on top of page 417.

Thanks for the nice welcome :)
 
Asco makes some of the same solenoid valves. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the ones from McMaster weren't from Asco.
 
think about this
just use two valves
both n.o. valves
this way you can open one or the other or both at the same time
the two smiple valve cost less than a 3-way
 

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