Circuit Analysis Theorem For the Number of Independent Equations

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The discussion revolves around the application of a theorem related to the number of independent equations in circuit analysis, specifically concerning the relationship between the number of currents and nodes in a circuit. Participants explore the implications of this theorem in the context of a specific circuit example, examining the equations derived from Kirchhoff's laws.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that according to the theorem, with 4 nodes and 6 currents, there should be 3 independent equations from the current law and 2 from the voltage law, totaling 5 equations, but they observe 6 equations are needed.
  • Another participant counts 5 currents instead of 6, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the problem setup.
  • A participant suggests that the concept of "independent equations" is crucial, arguing that not all equations generated from Kirchhoff's laws are necessary to solve the circuit if certain current values are known.
  • One participant introduces a geometric perspective, relating circuit elements to polyhedrons and discussing the implications for the number of equations based on topological properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of the theorem and the counting of independent equations, indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct application of the theorem in this context.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of independent equations and the specific circuit configuration being analyzed, which may affect the conclusions drawn from the theorem.

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I attached a screenshot of the book (sorry no pdf available for this book). Right above the somewhat central line they give the theorem that if there are m currents and n nodes, then there will be n - 1 independent equations from the current law and m - n - 1 from the voltage law.

I count 4 (branching) nodes and 6 currents. So the number of equations given by the current law is 4 - 1 = 3. Thats fine. But then we should get one more (6- 4 - 1) from the voltage law. But they end up with three more from the voltage law leading to a total of six equations, which they will need because there are six unknown currents.

So what's going on here?
 

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rtareen said:
I count (...) 5 currents (...) because there are six unknown currents.

So what's going on here?

Good question.
 
Borek said:
Good question.
Well I fixed that. It still leads to only one more equation according to this theorem. What else is wrong?
 
What is reference to the book?
 
I think the issue here is "independent equations". You can make lots of equations from KVL & KCL, but you don't need all of them. For example, in the bridge circuit shown, if I told you the values for I1, I2, and I3, couldn't you solve the whole circuit?

But, honestly, I haven't really thought about this much. I never liked the network theory classes I had to take (several decades ago).
 
I've just made a post that ties circuits to polyhedrons. Essentially every node is a vertex, every branch is an edge, and every indivisible loop is a face. There is a current continuity EQ for every node/vertex, and a voltage loop EQ for every loop/face. Because the continuity EQs are all equal to zero, the resultant vector is the zero vector, and thus there is 1 nullspace DOF in that set. And since a polyhedron can topographically be stretched so that 1 face could have the image of all the rest (i.e., a Schlegal diagram), it is a combination of loops, and thus there is 1 nullspace DOF in the set of loop/face EQs - and since there must be an EMF element in some branch to have a non-null system, the resultant vector is not the zero vector, and thus there is no other nullspace DOF. Therefore, the net rank of the combined set is ( # of node/vertices + # of loop/faces - 2 ), which of course as per Euler's Law of Polyhedra is equal to the # of branch/edge currents.

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/circuit-analysis-via-polyhedron.1050802/
 

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