Circular motion - Please help, I think the book's wrong?

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The discussion revolves around a problem in circular motion involving a car traveling over a bump at a fun park. The original poster seeks clarification on the forces acting on the car at the top of the hump, specifically the force exerted by the track and the minimum speed required to leave the track.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the net force exerted by the track on the car and questions the discrepancy between their calculation and the book's answer. Participants discuss the role of centripetal force and normal force at the top of the hump, with some suggesting a need to reconsider the forces involved.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different interpretations of the forces at play. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between centripetal force and normal force, and there is a recognition of potential rounding differences in the book's answer. The original poster expresses appreciation for the assistance received.

Contextual Notes

The original poster mentions a specific mass for the car and a radius for the bump, but there is an indication of confusion regarding the correct application of forces and the values used for calculations, particularly the acceleration due to gravity.

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Circular motion - Please help, I think the book's wrong!?

Homework Statement


A car of mass 400kg travels over a bump of radius 10m on a track in a fun park.

a) What force is exerted by the track on the car when it travels over the top of the hump at a speed of 6 m/s.

b) What is the minimum speed needed for the car to leave the track at the top of the hump?

Homework Equations


F = mv^2/t
a=V^2/r
P=2\prodr
A=\prodr^2

The Attempt at a Solution


a) v= 6m/s , Fnet=?
F=mv^2/r
F= (400)(6^2)/ 10
Fnet = 1440 N - WRONG!
RIGHT - 2600N

How did they get that answer? - Could someone please help with this issue.

Kindest Regards,
TheKovac
 

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There should be a centripetal force on the car pointing into the hump. At the top of the hump, the answer you got is the centripetal force, but at the same time there is the normal force of the car pointing in the opposite direction. The net force exerted on the car by the hump should be that of the centripetal force subtracted from the normal force.
 
Gear300 said:
There should be a centripetal force on the car pointing into the hump. At the top of the hump, the answer you got is the centripetal force, but at the same time there is the normal force of the car pointing in the opposite direction. The net force exerted on the car by the hump should be that of the centripetal force subtracted from the normal force.

Thank you very much for your answer, you really have got me thinking now.

Does that mean:

F=ma
F= 400*9.8
Fnet = 3920N
centripetal Force = 1440

=>Fnet - Fc
=> 3920 - 1440
F= 2500N

Am I correct?
 
Seems right to me. The answer would be between 2500N and 2600N, so I'm supposing your book may have rounded or used 10 instead of 9.8 for the acceleration due to gravity.
 
THANK YOU TO ALL WHO ASSISTED WITH MY PROBLEM!

The matter is solved, and I am very happy with all the kind hearted assistance I received.

Have a great afternoon.

Kindest Regards,
TheKovac
 

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