Circular Motion - Satellites Problem

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The problem involves two satellites, S1 and S2, orbiting the Earth at different distances and speeds. The task is to determine the ratio of the centripetal forces acting on each satellite based on their respective orbital parameters.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the centripetal force formula and explore the calculations for each satellite's force. There are attempts to simplify the expressions and check for algebraic errors.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their calculations and correcting each other's algebraic mistakes. There is a focus on deriving the ratio of the forces, and some guidance has been provided regarding the cancellation of mass in the final ratio.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of maintaining clarity in the calculations and the implications of the satellites' equal mass on the force ratio. There is an acknowledgment of the need to carefully handle the algebra involved in the problem.

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Homework Statement


Two satellites of equal mass, S1 and S2, orbit the earth. S1 is orbiting at a distance r from the Earth's center at speed v. S2 orbits at a distance 2r from the Earth's center at speed (v/squareroot2) . The ratio of the centripetal force on S1 to the centripetal force on S2 is,

A. 1/8

B. 1/4

C. 4

D. 8


Homework Equations



F = mvsqrd/r


The Attempt at a Solution



I just couldn't figure this one out at all... its frustrating, i tried playing around with the equation but i kept getting nonsense.
 
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You have the correct equation. Show what you did to find F_1 and F_2 (the two centripetal forces).
 
Ok. So since the mass is equal its constant, so we just have

F = Vsquared/r

So then, S1 = Vsquared/r

S2 = (v/squareroot2)squared/2r
= (vsquared/2)/2r
= (2vsquared*r)/2


S1 = Vsquared/r

S2 = (2vsquared*r)/2


Hmm.. so now?
 
Galileo_Galilei said:
Ok. So since the mass is equal its constant, so we just have

F = Vsquared/r

Ultimately, that's all you need, but it would be more correct to leave the mass in until the very end.

So then, S1 = Vsquared/r

Right.

S2 = (v/squareroot2)squared/2r
= (vsquared/2)/2r
= (2vsquared*r)/2

Correcct until F_{S2}=m\frac{\frac{v^2}{2}}{2r}
Then you have an algebra error.

Hmm.. so now?

The problem asks you to take calculate a ratio, ie, divide one of the forces by the other. (Incidentally, that's why you can leave the mass in until the very end: both forces have the term 'm' so the masses cancel).
 
Oh, yeah, algebra got me there.

So it'd have to then be:

S2 = {\frac{v^2}{4r}}

Ah, so now it gives me a much simpler division to do. When i divide those S1/S2 after multiplying and cancelling i get 4r/r.

Awesome, so the answer is 4. Thanks for pointing out the algebra mistake.
 

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