Circular motion - velocity vector

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The discussion revolves around understanding the velocity vector in the context of circular motion, specifically analyzing two scenarios presented in diagrams. Participants are attempting to clarify the relationships between angular velocity and the corresponding velocity vectors.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of angular velocity signs and their relationship to the direction of the velocity vector. There is uncertainty about the correct notation and terminology to describe the vectors involved. Some participants express confusion about the original question and the provided options.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the assumptions made about the direction of motion and the signs associated with angular velocities. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the signs of angular velocity and the velocity vector, but no consensus has been reached on the correct interpretation.

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Participants note that the original problem includes multiple choice options, but there is some ambiguity regarding the figures and notation used. The task involves relating angular velocities to their respective velocity vectors, and there is a recognition of the need for clarity in vector notation.

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Which of the following correctly describes the velocity vector in each case? 2. The attempt at a solution

I got it wrong at first.
My new attempt (I have a sneaking suspicion that I am missing something important):

For the first picture:

dtheta_1/dt<0 - the angle is decreasing
and
v=-r*dtheta_1/dt*theta_hat

for the second picture:
dtheta_2/dt>0 - the angle is increasing

v=-r*dtheta_2/dt*theta_hat - because the motion is clockwise
 

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Poetria said:
For the first picture:

dtheta_1/dt<0 - the angle is decreasing
and
v=-r*dtheta_1/dt*theta_hat

Or I am wrong and it should be:

dttheta_1/dt<0 - slowing down
and
v=r*dtheta_1/dt*theta_hat because there are two minus sings: -dtheta_1/dt and minus sign - the negative direction of theta_hat
 
I'm not at all sure what the question is.
Are the two figures exactly as given to you, or have you added some notation?
"Which of the following" implies some offered choices; what are they?
It also says "describes the velocity vector", but your suggested answers do not use any vector notation or terminology.
 
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haruspex said:
I'm not at all sure what the question is.
Are the two figures exactly as given to you, or have you added some notation?
"Which of the following" implies some offered choices; what are they?
It also says "describes the velocity vector", but your suggested answers do not use any vector notation or terminology.

Yes, I should use Latex. :( I haven't added any notation.
There are four choices. The only difference is sings:

1.
v (vector) =r*dtheta_1/dt*theta-hat theta direction
v (vector) =-r*dtheta_2/dt*theta- hat

2.
v (vector) =r*dtheta_1/dt*theta-hat
v (vector) =r*dtheta_2/dt*theta-hat

3.
v (vector) =-r*dtheta_1/dt*theta-hat
v (vector) =-r*dtheta_2/dt*theta_hat

4.
v (vector) =-r*dtheta_1/dt*theta_hat
v (vector) =r*dtheta_2/dt*theta_hat

I have correctly deduced: dtheta_1/dt < 0 and dtheta_2/dt>0.
I am not sure if my reasoning is correct.
 
Poetria said:
deduced: dtheta_1/dt < 0 and dtheta_2/dt>0.
No, we do not know which way it is actually moving, nor even that it is moving. The task is to relate the variables so that they will agree on the movement.
The vector v is drawn such that its positive direction corresponds to a clockwise motion.
θ1 is drawn such that an increase in its value corresponds to an anticlockwise motion. That in turn corresponds to a positive ##\dot\theta_1## in the ##\hat\theta_1## direction.
So what sign should connect ##\dot\theta_1\hat\theta_1## with ##\vec v##?
 
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haruspex said:
No, we do not know which way it is actually moving, nor even that it is moving. The task is to relate the variables so that they will agree on the movement.
The vector v is drawn such that its positive direction corresponds to a clockwise motion.
θ1 is drawn such that an increase in its value corresponds to an anticlockwise motion. That in turn corresponds to a positive ##\dot\theta_1## in the ##\hat\theta_1## direction.
So what sign should connect ##\dot\theta_1\hat\theta_1## with ##\vec v##?

The sign must be opposite to that of the vector v and therefore minus? I hope I got it.
 
Poetria said:
The sign must be opposite to that of the vector v and therefore minus? I hope I got it.
Yes.
 
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Great. Many thanks. I have one more but I have to think about it.
 

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