Man pulling a boat along the water with a rope (from above on a steep bank)

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a man pulling a boat along the water using a rope from a steep bank. The focus is on understanding the relationship between the angle of the rope and the velocities of the boat and the rope, particularly as the angle changes over time.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore different methods to analyze the motion of the boat and the rope, with attempts to derive relationships between the velocities involved. Questions arise regarding the validity of initial assumptions and the implications of changing angles on the boat's speed.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. Some have pointed out flaws in initial methods, while others are examining the implications of their findings. There is a recognition of the complexity of the problem, and multiple interpretations are being explored.

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Participants note that the problem specifies the man pulls the rope at a constant speed, which influences the analysis. There are ongoing questions about how the changing angle affects the horizontal speed of the boat, leading to discussions about the assumptions made in various methods.

  • #31
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  • #32
brotherbobby said:
I'd like @haruspex or someone else to show me where am going wrong.
Here is another way to look at the trajectory in space of a point ##Q## on the rope at distance ##PQ## from the boat along the rope. The key features to understand is that the rope always points towards the hands of the man at point O. This means that the trajectory of ##Q## in space is independent of whether the rope is pulled at a constant rate or whether the boat moves at constant speed. Point ##Q## will move along a uniquely defined path as angle ##\alpha## increases to ##\frac{\pi}{2}.##

Trajectory Rope_3.png
The figure on the right shows segment ##PQ## (in red) at two successive positions of the boat. In time interval ##dt## the boat advances to the right by amount ##~dx=u(t)dt~## and segment ##PQ## simultaneously rotates counterclockwise about point ##P## by an arc of length ##~ds=(PQ)d\theta##. Note that ##d\theta=-d\alpha##.

You can see from the drawing that
##d\mathbf x=dx~\mathbf{\hat x}## and that
##d\mathbf s=-ds\sin\!\alpha~\mathbf{\hat x}+ds\cos\!\alpha ~\mathbf{\hat y}## (Angle ##\alpha## is not shown to avoid clutter.) With ##~ds=(PQ)~d\alpha##, the displacement of point ##Q## in time ##dt## is $$d\mathbf r=\left[dx-(PQ)\cos\alpha~d\alpha\right]~\mathbf{\hat x}+(PQ)~\sin\alpha~d\alpha~\mathbf{\hat y}.$$From this you can see that all points along the rope move simultaneously
  • to the right by a the same amount ##dx##
  • to the left by an amount that is proportional to how far away (##PQ##) they are from the boat
  • up by an amount that is also proportional to how far away they are from the boat.
(Edited to fix equation typos.)
 
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