Circular Motion with Angular Speed dealing with planets

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The problem involves the orbital mechanics of Mars and Earth, specifically focusing on their angular speeds and the angles formed between them and the Sun during their orbits. The context includes calculating angles at specific times and understanding the relationship between their orbital periods and distances from the Sun.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of angular speeds and the angles formed between the Earth, Mars, and the Sun. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of the angle described in the problem and the relationship between the angles at closest approaches.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the original poster's interpretation of the problem, suggesting a need to clarify the angle being calculated. There is an indication that the original poster is actively working through the problem and considering different approaches based on hints provided.

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Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the requirement for answers to be within a specific range and the implications of assuming constant orbital speeds and circular orbits.

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1. Homework Statement
Mars orbits the sun at a mean distance of 228 million km, in a period of 687 days. The Earth orbits at a mean distance of 149.6 million km in a period of 365.26 days. All answers should be in the range (0, 2pi)
a) suppose Earth and Mars are positioned such that Earth lies on a straight line between Mars and the Sun. Exactly 365.26 days later, when the Earth has completed one orbit, what is the angle between the Earth-Sun line and the Earth-Mars line?
b) The initial situation in part a) is a closest approach of Mars to the Earth. What is the time between 2 closest approaches? Assume constant orbital speeds and circular orbits. (Hint: when angles are equal)
c) Another way of expressing b) is with the angle between the Sun, Earth, and Mars in the two closest approach situations. What is that angle?


2. Homework Equations
Probably angular speed= 2pi/period
angle traveled = angular speed x time



3. The Attempt at a Solution
My homework is online, and we get three tries per problem. I attempted this one and apparently got all three parts wrong. For a) I used angular speed = 2pi/period to get the angular speeds for Earth and Mars. I then multiplied these speeds by time to get the angle traveled for each. Earth was 2pi, and for Mars I got 3.34 radians, which is wrong. :/
For part b) It says to use the relationship between angle, angular speed,and time, which is angle traveled = angular speed x time. The angle traveled by Earth would be angle traveled by Mars + 2pi according to the hint.
c) According to the hint. solve the equation used in b) for the angle instead of for time. I think once I get
I figure once I get a) I may be able to eventually work out the rest. Anyone know what I did wrong with a)? I've tried so many different ways but keep getting the same answer.
Thanks!
 
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Hi Garrant3! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(have a pi: π :wink:)

erm :redface:read the question! :wink:
Garrant3 said:
… what is the angle between the Earth-Sun line and the Earth-Mars line?
 
Hi! Thanks for the welcome!
I'm sorry, it is supposed to be "between the Earth-Sun line and the Mars-Sun line" instead of "between the Earth-Sun line and the Earth-Mars line".
I'm still working on it too, so let me know what you think. Maybe instead I should take 2pi - 3.34 to get the angle?
Once again, thanks for responding! :)
 
Sorry for double posting, but I just figured it out!
If anyone is interested, it did work taking 2pi - 3.34.
 

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