Clarification on the given PDE problem

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a partial differential equation (PDE) problem, specifically focusing on the use of simultaneous equations and methods for solving PDEs, including the method of characteristics and integrating factors. Participants explore different approaches to the problem and express their understanding and preferences regarding these methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using simultaneous equations to solve for variables in the context of the PDE problem.
  • Another participant questions the need for reassurance and emphasizes the importance of independent problem-solving skills in mathematics.
  • A participant expresses that PDEs can be intimidating and acknowledges their ongoing development of confidence in tackling such problems.
  • Concerns are raised about the effectiveness of the proposed approach using simultaneous equations, with a suggestion that it may not be suitable for non-constant coefficients.
  • A different method involving setting specific values for derivatives is proposed as a potentially simpler alternative for solving the PDE.
  • One participant expresses a preference for the integrating factor method currently presented in their text, indicating a need to study the alternative approach suggested by another participant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to solving the PDE, with no consensus reached on the effectiveness of the simultaneous equations method versus the method of characteristics or integrating factors.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations regarding the applicability of certain methods to non-constant coefficient problems, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the proposed approaches.

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My interest is on the highlighted part only...my understanding is that one should use simultaneous equation... unless there is another way hence my post query.

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In my working i have;

##y=\dfrac{2ξ+η}{10}## and ##x=\dfrac{2η-ξ}{10}## giving us;

##x+3y=\dfrac{2η-ξ+6ξ+3η}{10}=\dfrac{5ξ+5η}{10}=\dfrac{ξ+η}{2}## cheers guys.
 
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Why do you always have to question things like this? You have two equations for ## \xi## and ## \eta ## in ## x ## and ## y ## and you want to find two equations for ## x ## and ## y ## in ## \xi## and ## \eta ##: this is simultaneous equations by definition. You should do more thinking for yourself and not constantly seek assurance, this is not the way to develop confident problem solving skills.
 
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@pbuk noted mate :biggrin: :biggrin: ...am slowly developing confidence...the pde's can be intimidating at times...not for the faint of hearts. Cheers...
 
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chwala said:
TL;DR Summary: see attached.

My interest is on the highlighted part only...my understanding is that one should use simultaneous equation... unless there is another way hence my post query.

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I don't think this approach is the best approach to applying the method of characteristics.

Firstly I don't think it extends to non-constant coefficients, and secondly it leads to more complicated airthmetic in finding the integrating factor and solving the transformed PDE than does the approach of setting <br /> x_\xi = -2,\qquad y_\xi = 4 and then choosing x_\eta and y_\eta such that \eta does not appear expressly in the transformed equation, leading to <br /> u_{\xi} + 5u = e^{10\xi + (x_\eta + 3y_\eta)\eta} = e^{10\xi}. This approach also works for non-constant coefficient problems.
 
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Thanks @pasmith ...i prefer the integrating factor method shown in the text for the time being... i need to try and study the approach that you are suggesting.
 
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