Classical and Spanish Guitar Performances

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The discussion revolves around performances of classical and Spanish guitar, with participants sharing links to various guitar performances and expressing their opinions on the quality and significance of different styles of music, including classical and electronic genres.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants share links to classical and Spanish guitar performances, expressing admiration for the talent displayed.
  • One participant highlights the light touch of a specific performer, Li Jie, as excellent.
  • There are contrasting opinions on the value of classical guitar versus electronic music, with some arguing that classical music requires more talent.
  • Participants mention specific artists and genres, including Aphex Twin and Iron Maiden, in the context of musical talent and influence.
  • Some participants assert that classical music is foundational to many modern music styles, while others defend the complexity and artistry of electronic music.
  • Disagreements arise regarding the perceived talent required for electronic music compared to classical music, with some participants dismissing electronic music as lacking depth.
  • One participant expresses a preference for piano over guitar, indicating a shift in musical taste.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement, particularly regarding the value and complexity of classical versus electronic music. The discussion remains unresolved with competing views on the significance of different musical styles.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the influence of classical music on modern genres and the talent required for various styles remain contested and are based on personal opinions and experiences.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in guitar performances, the evolution of musical genres, and debates surrounding musical talent and influence may find this discussion engaging.

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Since that damn thread popped back up, here is some real guitar

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6235991051852963406&q=classical+guitar -vals3

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1994835504362469704&q=classical+guitar -paganini

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8544471440432493&q=classic+guitar&hl=en -Debussy

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8616337967427479007&q=classic+guitar&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3098861182079928511&q=classic+guitar&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5045565399395951252&q=spanish+guitar&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3700234502567725896&q=spanish+guitar&hl=en

Ahhhhhhhh, much better...my ears have stopped bleeding.

Peaceful...real tallent.
 
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That is nice! Thanks for the links!
I really like the light touch of Li Jie. She is excellent.
 
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1042434893406997227&q=classical+guitar&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6906286431995963661&q=classical+guitar&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6144499437268125484&q=classical+guitar&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3623764892953734723&q=classical+guitar&hl=en
 
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This one gets its own post...uninterrupted

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2888398428915007745&q=classical+guitar&hl=en

Absolute beauty...
 
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This one stands alone as well...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1753032498515536736&q=classical+guitar&hl=en
 
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Arg, and this

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2064443199354089408&q=classical+guitar&hl=en
 
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8322663395004172787&q=classical+guitar&hl=en

A master at work.
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
This one gets its own post...uninterrupted

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2888398428915007745&q=classical+guitar&hl=en

Absolute beauty...

There is an astronomer who comes on PBS and gives tips on viewing the night sky. He uses a version of this song as his theme song.

edit:
OOps that is not it. The show is called the Star Gazer, the guy is Jack Horkeimer (sp)
[MEDIA=youtube]ncV47leWBio[/MEDIA][/URL]

Opps and that isn't a guitar.
 
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What happened to electric?
 
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Mk said:
What happened to electric?

Get lost.

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Makes a few mistakes, but still nice piece

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2139990345925441424&q=augustin+barrios+mangore

better...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5742427513044765472&q=mangore
 
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  • #13
Some of the classics from the early 1970's were pretty good. This one is a guitar duet, one 6 string, one 12 string, with special tuning, the end result is pretty nice:

http://members.cox.net/savefiles/guinnevere.mp3

A video from a live performance, but not quite as good:

[MEDIA=youtube]mTGxNuRuJwo[/MEDIA][/URL][/b]
 
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  • #14
Mk said:
Now this is real guitar. Can anything ever be better than this solo?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZoFOkZS8OE8

Thanks for posting crap. You should get lashes for that...seriously, that SUCKS...why do we let you live again?...:devil:
 
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bah who needs a guitar, how last century

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techno techno techno tekno give me a tr-808, tr-909 and 303 anyday :-p

1 day we will look back at this type of music like we do to some of the great artists of years gone by :approve: ...
 
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No, we wont.
 
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We as in the "Royal" we, ie you, perhaps.
But *we* as in the collective we, will...
 
  • #18
Nope.

Techno takes ZERO music talent compared to Classical...

classical music will/already has stood the test of time, crapno will be a bygone.
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
Nope.

Techno takes ZERO music talent compared to Classical...

classical music will/already has stood the test of time, crapno will be a bygone.

LOL :smile: :smile: :smile:

You almost just stood in the bear trap.

Why does it take zero talent? What gives *you* the ability to criticize it, are you an artist? Have you even tried to create some electronic music? If so please share.

Artists like Aphex Twin, Mike Oldfield, Vangelis Papathanassiou, Squarepusher: All push the boundaries of music, the compositions are extremely refined and complex. Especially Vangelis as he is influenced by Bozaka (The most complex musical style there is!). These people are musical genius as much as the classical composers were. Your Argument "classical music has stood the test of time" is mute, since the music I am talking about is cutting edge, and new. Its all a matter of opinion, its pointless getting into a "your music is rubbish" argument, as its a matter of perception. Either you like it or you dont, your "techno takes zero talent" is a fallacy, and is wrong, but more to the point is irelevent to the whether someone enjoys the sounds or not!
 
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Why does it take zero talent? What gives *you* the ability to criticize it, are you an artist? Have you even tried to create some electronic music? If so please share.

I give myself the ability. You got to problem with that?

These people are musical genius as much as the classical composers were.

No, WRONG...


Argument "classical music has stood the test of time" is mute, since the music I am talking about is cutting edge, and new.

No...WRONG. Modern music takes a lot from classical music. More than you may realize.


Its all a matter of opinion

Yep, and yours is WRONG.

Either you like it or you dont, your "techno takes zero talent" is a fallacy, and is wrong, but more to the point is irelevent to the whether someone enjoys the sounds or not!

John Mclaughlin, take it away...


WRONG!
 
  • #21
Wrong... Wrong... Wrong... Wrong... Good argument cyrusabdollahi :rolleyes:
 
  • #22
Anttech said:
Wrong... Wrong... Wrong... Wrong... Good argument cyrusabdollahi :rolleyes:

My pleasure.
 
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  • #24
Good RIDDANCE! Take your techno and get out!

This is for people with a finer taste, like Larskpur, and Marlon...
 
  • #25
paganini rules... but so do Iron Maiden, Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, and Stevie Ray Vaughn.

I've actually started to like the piano more than the guitar though to tell you the truth.

edit: and I have to interject the cyrus is right. Classical music is at the root of just about anything you listen too. We still use the 12 note per octave system, with generally 7 tones that we select for a scale, that have a fundamental, a dominant, and a sub-dominant as the major movers of the pieces.

Seriously, unless you listen to japanese, indian, or tribal music, It's probably classically based. Even spanish, egyptian, italian, and french music (to name just a few) are just based of different modes of classical scales.

Blues/Rock is a simplification of the classical scales (retaining the fundamental, dominant, and sub-dominant) called pentatonics (the blues scale actually has an extra note, but it's almost always bent over and around or stepped across, and not used at the start of a measure)

On another note, plenty of bands nowadays mix tribal music, but you probably wouldn't be able to pallate something that's not classicaly based unless you're a musician or a condeneseur of world music.
 
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With pleasure, there's nothing I hate more than a brash adolescent who *thinks* his tastes are "refined"

Enjoy your thread
 
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:smile: Techno, your are saying TECHNO is up there with classical...NO WAY...

I would like to see techno write a piece for 40+ people who have to play in perfect step with one another and not use a computer to do it for them.

Why are there no famous schools of techno?

The Paris school of techno, I think not.

Mozart and the like, they are one of a kind. They are giants like Newton... Don't kid yourself!

We still listen to classcial music 250 years later. It's mainstream to our culture...don't believe me, listen to every soundtrack on every movie, every commercial, every song. Its' all derived from classical in one form or another.

It's going to be gone, like ragtime. You will see.
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
:smile: Techno, your are saying TECHNO is up there with classical...NO WAY...

I would like to see techno write a piece for 40+ people who have to play in perfect step with one another and not use a computer to do it for them.

Why are there no famous schools of techno?

The Paris school of techno, I think not.

Mozart and the like, they are one of a kind. They are giants like Newton... Don't kid yourself!

Nice strawman... Explain to me where I asserted "Techno is up there with classical"

cyrusabdollahi there is no point in having a discussion regarding this with *you* because judging by your very brash one liners so far you are not able to.

So tell me then, or attempt to tell me without reverting back to baby talk, how does one classify an "up there" style of music? via the amount of people you need to perform the piece? Is that the gauge of "musical upness?"

Well if it is:

http://www.elsew.com/data/bninterv.htm

I tend to think that it has nothing to do with it. Electronic Music is just as much an "artform" as any classic piece, I am not asserting that its predecessor wasnt "classical." I am asserting that is equal as an art-form. In fact some established artists assert that it is in fact more difficult to manipulate machines to make music than it is classical instruments. I am not talking about easy listening music, but hybrid Jazz and electro sounds, for example Squarepusher, show me a classical piece that is able to invert the use of drums and the rhythm?

No one type of Music is *better* than another, until you define what it is that makes it better. I find it hard to accept that the greatness of a sound is in direct relation to the amount of people it takes to play that sound.
 
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Simple, you have to study for years and years to become a master in classcial music, if your lucky to be that good.

What does it take to make a techno album, a computer and a little imagination?

PAHLEAZE...
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
Simple, you have to study for years and years to become a master in classcial music, if your lucky to be that good.

What does it take to make a techno album, a computer and a little imagination?

PAHLEAZE...

Once again you have shown your ignorance of electronic music.

So now you have shifted the goal posts, (once again) to assert that the relationship between a musical style and its greatness is in how long it takes to study to master? :rolleyes:

Make your mind up please

If this is indeed what you are now asserting, it only took Mozart till he was 5 years old. Cant of been that difficult could it?
 
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