Classical and Spanish Guitar Performances

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The discussion centers around a comparison between classical guitar music and electronic genres like techno. Participants share various links to classical guitar performances, expressing appreciation for artists such as Li Jie and highlighting the beauty and skill involved in classical music. The conversation shifts to a debate about the artistic merit of electronic music, with some arguing that it lacks the depth and talent required for classical compositions. Others counter that electronic music is a legitimate art form, capable of complexity and innovation, and should not be dismissed. The debate touches on the evolution of music, the role of technology in composition, and the subjective nature of musical taste. Ultimately, there is a division between those who uphold classical music as the pinnacle of artistic achievement and those who advocate for the recognition of electronic music's creative potential.
  • #51
A couple of nice acoustic pieces by Canadian guitarist Erik Mongrain:
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-GeoMike-
 
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  • #52
Setar

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8360162270094616519&q=setar

Santoor

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&p=santoor&b=10&oid=3fccfc76e93b2866&rurl=www.santur.com&vdone=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.yahoo.com%2Fvideo%2Fsearch%3Fei%3DUTF-8%26p%3Dsantoor%26b%3D11

Iranian instruments.
 
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  • #53
i have to side with cyrus here also. i listen to prodigy, daft punk, chemical brothers, wip3out xl soundtrack etc from time to time but i have to say it will never be on the same level as "classical" music (music from the renaissance, baroque, classical, romantic etc eras). giovanni palestrina's pope marcellus mass allegedly (so the urban legend goes) saved church music from the draconian restrictions of the council of trent. the council of trent decided to ban all church music except 'plainchant' since it was becoming more & more difficult to understand the texts. palestrina wrote this mass & dedicated it to the pope at the time (marcellus) & as the story goes it was so perfect it got the vatican to change their minds. i have "some" reservations that a techno artist could single-handedly do anything like that today, or at least gain a reputation like palestrina had in the late 1500s. (of course it's just an urban legend, but highly plausible if one hears the music :-p )
 
  • #54
bouzouki- Greek

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?p=bouzouki&prssweb=Search&ei=UTF-8&b=16&oid=4c44586818383ca2&rurl=www.bouzoukidvd.com&vdone=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.yahoo.com%2Fvideo%2Fsearch%3Fp%3Dbouzouki%26prssweb%3DSearch%26ei%3DUTF-8%26b%3D11

http://www.folkofthewood.com/Media/jnsnzookma4005.mov

This guy sucks though, you should hear my friend John play. Sounds very similar to ME music.

This guy is closer in style, but still sucks compared to John.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zJQkKdUDaZg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MvYGkMLVfnY

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WcV46gUVkNQ

It's a great instrument... magnificent.
 
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  • #55
During my visit at MIT, I walked by someone playing some Bach on the piano fantastically. It's amazing watching/listening to someone play so well. Especially from such a close distance.
 
  • #56
Regular ole guitar...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=492422280766772379&q=classical+guitar
 
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  • #57
Yes Bozaki *is* the most complex string compositions there is. Dancing to it is also fun, I tend to not throw flowers about tho :-p

i have to side with cyrus here also. i listen to prodigy, daft punk, chemical brothers, wip3out xl soundtrack etc from time to time but i have to say it will never be on the same level as "classical" music (music from the renaissance, baroque, classical, romantic etc eras).
Look before we go down this road again, you are going to have to define what it is that you mean by "level" of Music is. As I stated before, there is no such thing as Bad or Good music It just is music... Why is this so difficult to understand?
 
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  • #58
cyrusabdollahi said:
Regular ole guitar...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=492422280766772379&q=classical+guitar
That piece is fun to play!
 
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  • #59
BTW if you ever want to listen to *soulful* electronic music listen to "Kaotic Harmony" By Derrick May on the transmat label released in 1993 and timeless Also Nude Photo which is accredited to have kicked off the whole Electronic *dance* movement in Europe, it never caught on in the states, although the was born in the ghetos of Detriot:

"I believe that you're in control of your own destiny. I believe that I chose to do songs like "Nude Photo", "Strings Of Life", "It Is What It Is". I really didn't care about making the charts or being a top 40 artist at any point in my life and I still don't. I couldn't give a **** about that."

Many years ago the future began: In 1987 a shrinkwrapped record called "Nude Photo" appeared on the shelves of a few specialist dance shops in Europe and helped kickstart a musical revolution. The label featured a drawing of what looked like a second world-war pilot. Or was it futuristic time-slip rider? The hand written details read Rythim Is Rythim, the word deliberately mispelt, given a fresh twist. The music sounded outer-worldly.

Sub-aquatic basslines raced with hi-hats constructed from welding sparks. It was like listening to liquid electricity. But the most outstanding feature of "Nude Photo" and the subsequent music which it's author would produce, was that it was much, much more than just machine-driven sounds. This music was absolutely drenched in emotion. This was the sound of someone's soul.
http://www.jahsonic.com/DerrickMay.html
 
  • #60
Squarepusher live...

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[PLAIN][MEDIA=youtube]eEw9kYDIQvs[/MEDIA][/URL]

;)
 
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  • #61
Anttech said:
Squarepusher live...

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[PLAIN][MEDIA=youtube]eEw9kYDIQvs[/MEDIA][/URL]

;)[/QUOTE]

Anttech, you are making me feel old...that sounded like noise to me.
[SIZE="2"]my mom used to say that about some of the stuff I used to listen to...:cry:
 
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  • #62
I think random noise does sound better... what the hell was that?
 
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  • #63
More bouzouki aka greek.

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  • #64
You do have some taste, you do realize I am Greek right? Opah ;)
 
  • #65
Sharmutah! ...I mean...:devil:
 
  • #66
I said Greek not Arabic, and don't swear at me, gamasou malaka!
 
  • #67
Anttech said:
Squarepusher live...

[MEDIA=youtube]la5NDzmEOFk[/MEDIA][/URL]
[PLAIN][MEDIA=youtube]eEw9kYDIQvs[/MEDIA][/URL]

;)[/QUOTE]
I thought that was very cool. Though it probably should go in a "Real Bass" thread. Anyhoo, very Stu Hamm-y/Primus-y. I like the snappy melodic percussive stuff. :smile:
 
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  • #68
Math Is Hard said:
I thought that was very cool. Though it probably should go in a "Real Bass" thread. Anyhoo, very Stu Hamm-y/Primus-y. I like the snappy melodic percussive stuff. :smile:

Yeah very jazzy :) a lot of Charlie hunter, and B-Bop influences
 
  • #69
I wish the sound quality was better... Suprise!

[MEDIA=youtube]F5RGpQmWtTI[/MEDIA][/URL]
 
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  • #70
[MEDIA=youtube]Lq-BPomrsxo[/MEDIA][/URL]

I can just imagine Stasky rolling over the Mixing desk ;)
 
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  • #71
[MEDIA=youtube]qZUKBCupZaA[/MEDIA][/URL]

And one of my favourites, I love the Drum and the Bass :)
 
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  • #72
Anttech said:
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And one of my favourites, I love the Drum and the Bass :)[/QUOTE]


Now your starting to get it my boy! :-p
 
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  • #73
Anttech said:
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And one of my favourites, I love the Drum and the Bass :)[/QUOTE]You've got to be kidding! If you want electric music, dial up some Muddy Waters, Willie Dixon, Pinetop Perkins, Elmore James, and see what kind of talent the pioneers had. These guys inspired the whole British Invasion of the 1960's and changed music forever. 5 years from now, these posers will be forgotten. 5 centuries from now, Robert Johnson will still be revered.
 
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  • #74
Here we go again :( I suppose then all artist that came after the renaissance should just not bother because, what's the point, its impossible to create better art.

ridicules argument right?

I would be stupid to Deny that the people you have just mentioned are great artists, but there are more and believe it or not some are still producing, some have just released there second album, and some are not even born yet.

Music is always changing, new styles build on the old. That artist you just dissed is actually revered in the Jazz world by some established Jazz critics, and musicians.

The same nonsense was being said by the Musical *elite* (snobs) about those very artists you are now claiming will be revered for 500 years. How ironic.

If you don't like it, then fine, the musical world won't take notice...
 
  • #75
Anttech said:
Here we go again :( I suppose then all artist that came after the renaissance should just not bother because, what's the point, its impossible to create better art.

ridicules argument right?

I would be stupid to Deny that the people you have just mentioned are great artists, but there are more and believe it or not some are still producing, some have just released there second album, and some are not even born yet.

Music is always changing, new styles build on the old. That artist you just dissed is actually revered in the Jazz world by some established Jazz critics, and musicians.

The same nonsense was being said by the Musical *elite* (snobs) about those very artists you are now claiming will be revered for 500 years. How ironic.

If you don't like it, then fine, the musical world won't take notice...
I enjoy innovation, as long as it is accompanied by talent, feel, and musicianship. It takes no talent to program a drum machine to play some interesting rhythms and only marginally more talent to tap and snap on your bass guitar in accompanyment. Teenagers do this kind of wanking in their bedrooms every day. It takes something special to sing and play a song from your gut and make it your own, which is something the blues players I mentioned had in spades. I performed live for ~40 years with a wide variety of musicians, in a wide variety of styles. That does not make me the arbiter of musical taste, but I think I'm a pretty good judge of talent. Give this guy a Fender bass and an Ampeg portaflex amp (basic blues rig for clubs) and you wouldn't listen to him for more than 5 minutes. There's no substance in the "music". If you want to listen to bass guitar played as a lead instrument, I suggest Jaco Pastorius - talent, innovation, and invention. I do not recommend Jaco's style for bass players in bands. It is too intrusive on the midrange occupied by sax, guitar, trumpet, piano, etc, but in a spare musical environment, it can be very effective.
 
  • #76
I know Jaco, and I aggree he is a all time great player. However I have a sneeky feeling that you have a problem with any type of Electronic Music. Unfortunatly for you we are now in the post-rock era, where Electronics are and will be used to make music. You may *think* (have you ever even tried to use an 303 or an 808 or any roland sythns to make tunes?) it is teenage wank material, however the weight of opininon (especially in Europe) is against you. I for one will not say any music form is better than another. But I will say that from my own experience it is not easy, and from reading other Electronic Artist biog they tend to aggree the same. The likes of Squarepusher don't just "use a drum machine" they invert the sound, to a point where you wouldn't have a clue how the hell they managed to make that sound, using drum patterns to create melody and melody to create percusion.

Anyway Squarepusher is actually a self-trained expert in both Percusion and Bass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squarepusher

hat does not make me the arbiter of musical taste, but I think I'm a pretty good judge of talent. Give this guy a Fender bass and an Ampeg portaflex amp (basic blues rig for clubs) and you wouldn't listen to him for more than 5 minutes.
This is a mute point, its like saying give a soccert player a baseball and throw him in the major leagues and watch how good he is. I doubt very much Jaco with his extraodinary talent could perform a track like squarepusher does.

Please stop being so snobby.

It also seems to me that you enjoy tallent as long as it is with your comfort zone, and with our preconcived notions of what you believe to be *good music.*
 
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  • #77
Santour.jpg

Many instruments around the world at least in part derive from the santur. Similar forms of the santur have been present in neighboring cultures like Armenia and Turkey for centuries. The Indian santoor is thicker, more rectangular, and can have more strings. Its corresponding mallets are also held differently. The Chinese yangqin originated from the Persian santur during the Persian empire. The Roma people introduced a derivative of the santur called the cymbalum to Eastern Europe, which in turn likely led to the development of the clavichord and the piano.

Never knew that. I know the Irish have a very similar instrument, almost identical infact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santur

Clip: http://anbari.persiangig.com/concertino1963.mp3
 
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  • #78
If you like Asian / Asian Minor type music, BUT with a morden twist (You can at least try it :smile: ) Listen to Bobby and Nihal on BBC radio 1

You can listen to their show again here --->

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/bobbyandnihal/

Its REALLY big this sound right now in London, I really like it. I like the ethnic compositions with a more urban Drum beat etc.. Its cool (Bungra massssivveeeeeee) ;)
 
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  • #79
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  • #80
wow...

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