Clepsydra shape using Fourier series

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The discussion revolves around a fluid mechanics problem concerning the shape of a vessel with a hole at the bottom, aimed at maintaining a constant rate of change in water level. The original poster is tasked with deriving a mathematical representation of the vessel's shape, specifically using Fourier series.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of deriving the 1/4 power relationship mathematically, with some questioning the relevance of Fourier series to the problem. Others suggest that the original poster's assumptions about the vessel's shape may be unfounded and propose focusing on a more general function.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and suggestions for reworking the approach. There is a recognition of the need to clarify assumptions and explore the problem without preconceived shapes. No consensus has been reached, but several productive directions have been suggested.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original assumptions about the vessel's shape may not be necessary and that a more general approach could be beneficial. The discussion highlights the challenge of integrating Fourier series into the problem, with varying opinions on its applicability.

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Our Fluid Mechanics professor gave us a challenge: to find the shape of a vessel with a hole at the bottom such that the water level in the vessel will change at a constant rate (i.e. if z is the height of the water in the tank dz/dt=constant).

I presented a solution assuming that the vessel would be a 3D curve: http://imgur.com/2RhMCgD
This was correct but apparently not good enough. He responded:

"You have to show how you come up with the 1/4 power mathematically and rigorously from first principle. For instance, start with a Fourier series with a set of orthogonal functions, and take it from here."

Does anyone have any idea where to begin?
Thanks in advance.
 
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I fail to see what that could have to do with Fourier series. You have shown that ##R^2 = a \sqrt z## if ##z'(t) = \mathrm{const}##. That is all it takes.
 
voko said:
I fail to see what that could have to do with Fourier series.

I agree. The way to do this is set up a differential equation and solve it.

Your solution does the right sort of things, except you seem to have made some arbitrary assumptions like the first line "assume it's a parabola". The solution to the ODE will be whatever it is - you don't need to assume anything.
 
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It may actually be the ungrounded assumption in the beginning that made the prof unhappy. It is not necessary anyway, just drop it.
 
I was unsure how the Fourier series would come into it as well.
How would you drop the assumption, allowing for the possiblity that it might be a cone, or cylinder or anything? By assuming it was a curve I was able to solve for the 1/4 power.
 
You used the parabolic function as a placeholder for a unknown function, and then you demonstrated that the unknown function had to satisfy a particular property, which determines it almost completely. You could have started with just an unknown function.
 
OK. So like this then? http://imgur.com/zvrjcVt

But it sounds like everyone is as puzzled as me as to how one could use a Fourier series..
 
You are still making ungrounded assumptions. Don't. Just use ##R(z)## and transform the equations so that you obtain ##R(z) = ...##. That is all you need.
 
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OK Thanks guys. I'll rework it and have a little chat with him
 

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