Closed form chains of derivatives

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The discussion revolves around the computation of closed forms for the derivatives of certain smooth and continuous functions on the real line, particularly focusing on challenges associated with complex functions and the application of various mathematical tools such as Leibniz's rule and fractional calculus. Participants explore different approaches and examples, including the digamma function and polylogarithms, while questioning the feasibility of determining the n-th derivative without knowledge of the (n-1)-th derivative.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss the difficulty of finding closed forms for derivatives of certain functions, citing examples like the loggamma function and the inverse gamma function.
  • There is mention of Leibniz's rule as a useful tool, but challenges remain with rational functions, especially those involving function composition.
  • One participant suggests that fractional calculus might be a relevant approach to the problem.
  • Another participant introduces the digamma function and its series representation as a potentially easier form for differentiation, leading to recursive relationships for higher derivatives.
  • There is a reference to Faà di Bruno's formula as a possible solution for computing higher derivatives.
  • Participants express uncertainty about whether it is possible to determine the n-th derivative of a function without knowing the (n-1)-th derivative.
  • One participant clarifies their interest in closed forms for the n-th derivative of smooth, real, and analytic functions, distinguishing this from the definition of holomorphic functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the feasibility of determining the n-th derivative without prior knowledge of the (n-1)-th derivative. Multiple competing views and approaches are presented, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of functions and the unresolved nature of mathematical steps involved in deriving closed forms for derivatives.

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A recent post of chisigma rings me the bell of an old problem I thought of posting in a forum (either here or MMF).

Is there any particular approach to computing a closed form for derivatives of certain smooth and continuous functions of $\mathbb{R}$?

For example, it is easy to find the $n$-th derivative of $e^x$, which is $e^x$ in turn. But this gets considerably hard for some Weird functions. For example, I recall of having to fight with the derivatives of some loggamma function in order to get an asymptotic approximation for the inverse gamma function.

Leibniz's rule in general reduces considerable amount of work, although rational function, even after Leibniz rule applied can give one a hard time, especially the ones with denominators made of function composition. Speaking of the devil, is there any general $n$-derivative closed form for composition of functions?

Nevertheless, I think an approach would use a considerable amount of tools from fractional calculus. I give my apologies for not being able to show research effort on this question, I reckon I am getting lazy lately. I hope I would be able to work out something tomorrow. Meanwhile, please feel free to post any ideas / works you are familiar with. I would be happy to see any (well-accepted) literature on this.
 
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mathbalarka said:
A recent post of chisigma rings me the bell of an old problem I thought of posting in a forum (either here or MMF).

Is there any particular approach to computing a closed form for derivatives of certain smooth and continuous functions of $\mathbb{R}$?

For example, it is easy to find the $n$-th derivative of $e^x$, which is $e^x$ in turn. But this gets considerably hard for some Weird functions. For example, I recall of having to fight with the derivatives of some loggamma function in order to get an asymptotic approximation for the inverse gamma function.

Leibniz's rule in general reduces considerable amount of work, although rational function, even after Leibniz rule applied can give one a hard time, especially the ones with denominators made of function composition. Speaking of the devil, is there any general $n$-derivative closed form for composition of functions?

Nevertheless, I think an approach would use a considerable amount of tools from fractional calculus. I give my apologies for not being able to show research effort on this question, I reckon I am getting lazy lately. I hope I would be able to work out something tomorrow. Meanwhile, please feel free to post any ideas / works you are familiar with. I would be happy to see any (well-accepted) literature on this.

I think that You have in mind the 'efforts' to compute the successive derivatives in x=0 of the function...

$\displaystyle f(x) = - \frac{1}{(x - \frac{3}{2}\ \pi)^{2}\ \cos x}\ (1)$

I'm afraid that a really 'comfortable' way to do that doesn't exist but there is a good idea to make the job a little less tedious. The idea is based of the relation... $\displaystyle \frac{d}{d x}\ \ln f(x) = \frac{f^{\ '}(x)}{f(x)} \implies f^{\ '} (x) = f(x)\ \frac{d}{d x} \ln f(x)\ (2)$

Applying (2) to (1) you obtain... $\displaystyle \frac{d}{dx} \ln f(x) = - \frac{d}{d x} \{2\ \ln (x - \frac{3}{2}\ \pi) + \ln \cos x \} = - \frac{2}{x - \frac{3}{2}\ \pi} + \tan x \implies f^{\ '} (x) = \frac{1}{(x - \frac{3}{2}\ \pi)^{2}\ \cos x}\ (\frac{2}{x - \frac{3}{2}\ \pi} + \tan x)\ (3)$

What matters is that You can use (3) to evaluate $\displaystyle f^{\ ''} (x)$ only evaluating $\displaystyle \frac{d} {d x} \ln f^{\ '}(x)$... Kind regards $\chi$ $\sigma$
 
I appreciate your answer but I am afraid I wasn't asking for what you intended to answer. My question was whether it is possible to determine $n$-th derivative of a function without known the $n-1$-th.
 
For most cases, en equivalent form of a function whether (integral or series) can make differentiation a way much easier. I have two examples in mind

The digamma function is defined as the logarithmic derivative of the gamma function

$$\psi_0(x) = \frac{\Gamma'(x)}{\Gamma(x)}$$

This form doesn't seem handy when considering higher derivative but if we use

$$\psi_0(x)=-\gamma+\sum_{n\geq 0}\frac{1}{n+1}-\frac{1}{n+x} $$

The first derivative (so called Trigamma function)

$$\psi_1(x)=\sum_{n\geq 0}\frac{1}{(n+x)^2}=\zeta(2,x) $$

where we define

$$\zeta(s,a)=\sum_{n\geq 0}\frac{1}{(n+a)^s}$$

$$\zeta(s,1) \equiv \zeta(s) $$

By multiple differentiation we get

$$\psi_n(x)=(-1)^{n+1} n! \, \zeta(n+1,x) $$

Another example is my favorite (polylogarithms)

Define the following

$$\mathrm{Li}_s(x) = \sum_{n\geq 1}\frac{x^n}{n^s}$$

We can attain the following recrusive integral representation

$$\mathrm{Li}_s(x) = \int^x_0 \frac{\mathrm{Li}_{s-1}(x)}{x}\, dx$$

$$\frac{d}{dx}\mathrm{Li}_s(x) = \frac{\mathrm{Li}_{s-1}(x)}{x}$$

Now multiple differentiation becomes extremely easy.

By the way nice topic. I'll come back once I get other examples (Wait)
 
mathbalarka said:
I appreciate your answer but I am afraid I wasn't asking for what you intended to answer. My question was whether it is possible to determine $n$-th derivative of a function without known the $n-1$-th.

A good approach to Your request exists if f(x) is L-transformable. In that case if $\displaystyle F(s) = \mathcal{L} \{f(x)\}$ You have...

$\displaystyle \mathcal{L}\ \{\frac{d^{n}}{d x^{n}} f(x) \} = s^{n}\ F(s) - s^{n - 1}\ f(0) - s^{n - 2}\ f^{\ '}(0) - ... - s\ f^{(n-2)} (0) - f^{(n-1)} (0)\ (1)$

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
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Good find. But my more general question remains still open.
 
mathbalarka said:
Good find. But my more general question remains still open.
I'm not sure what your question is then. Could you reiterate?
 
Sure. I want a closed form for $n$-th derivative of a smooth, real and analytic function
 
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mathbalarka said:
Sure. I want a closed form for $n$-th derivative of a smooth, real and analytic function

Analytic function means complex function inside a closed line $\gamma$ and in this case, for a point a inside $\gamma$ is...

$\displaystyle f^{(n)} (a) = \frac{n!}{2\ \pi\ i}\ \int_{\gamma} \frac{f(z)}{(z - a)^{n + 1}}\ dz\ (1)$

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
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Not really. What you give there is the definition of holomorphic functions. What I am referring to is real analytic functions
 

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