Closed or open question about the Extended Real line

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the classification of sets that include plus or minus infinity on the extended real line, specifically whether the set [-∞, a) is open or closed in the context of measure theory and analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the set [-∞, a) is open or closed, suggesting it might be open due to the absence of boundary points on the a side and the nature of its complement.
  • Another participant provides a resource link for further clarification on the extended reals and notes that a set may be neither open nor closed.
  • A participant challenges the conclusion that the set is not open, asking for clarification on the reasoning behind that conclusion.
  • There is a suggestion that the set could be both open and closed under certain conditions, indicating a complexity in the definitions involved.
  • A later reply indicates a change in perspective, with a participant reconsidering their stance on the openness of the set after reviewing the provided link.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the set [-∞, a) is open or closed, with no consensus reached on the classification of the set.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different topologies (τ+ and τ-) and the possibility of a set being neither open nor closed, indicating that definitions and conditions may vary based on context.

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This is just a quick question about sets that include plus or minus infinity on the extended real line. I am wondering about this in regards to measure in analysis so specifically, is [-∞,a) open or closed? I hadn't seen the extended reals before this class and we really didn't spend anytime discussing them. I want to say it is open since it certainly does not have a boundary point on the a) side and it seems like there isn't anything to approach the boundary on the [-∞. Moreover, it's complement [a,∞] looks suspiciously like a closed set... Any verification on these musings? Thanks
 
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This link should help. Go to Section 6 - Extended Reals, see the 2nd paragraph.

http://math.rice.edu/~semmes/math443.pdf

Also, keep in mind that a set may be neither open nor closed. It might be interesting to find a subset of the extended reals that is neither open nor closed to see how the definitions/requirements given may fail.
 
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So then it's not open since it isn't open in respect to both τ+ and τ-?
 
Fractal20 said:
So then it's not open since it isn't open in respect to both τ+ and τ-?
How do you come to that conclusion?
It is wrong, unless you use some non-standard topology.

Ocifer said:
Also, keep in mind that a set may be neither open nor closed.
Or both at the same time.
 
Ah, well now I think it is open. I misunderstood the bit about τ+- in the link. Am I wrong?
 

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