Closed set as infinite intersection of open sets

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on whether every closed set in a general metric space can be expressed as the intersection of an infinite collection of open sets. Participants explore the implications of this statement and seek clarification on specific terms and concepts related to metric spaces and topology.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if every closed set can indeed be expressed as an infinite intersection of open sets, noting the distinction between finite and infinite intersections.
  • Another participant asserts that every closed set can be written as a countable intersection of open sets in a metric space, providing a reasoning involving a continuous function related to the distance from the set.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the definition of the continuous function mentioned and the notation used for open intervals, specifically questioning the notation ]-1/n,1/n[ and its equivalence to (-1/n, 1/n).
  • Clarification is provided regarding the definition of the distance function and the notation, with one participant confirming their use of the notation as accepted.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is a disagreement regarding the generality of the statement about closed sets and infinite intersections of open sets, as one participant suggests it may not hold in arbitrary topological spaces. The discussion remains unresolved on this point.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the potential limitations of the statement in different topological contexts and the need for precise definitions in mathematical discourse.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in metric spaces, topology, and the properties of closed and open sets may find this discussion relevant.

lonewolf5999
Messages
33
Reaction score
0
This is not a homework problem, just something I was thinking about. In a general metric space, is it true that every closed set can be expressed as the intersection of an infinite collection of open sets?

I don't really know where to begin. Since the finite intersection of open sets is open, and the infinite intersection of open sets may or may not be open or closed, this suggests to me that the statement may not be true; however, I'm not sure how I would use this fact to construct a counter-example. Any help is much appreciated!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
The answer is yes. Every closed set can be written as a countable intersection of open sets in a metric space. (this is not true anymore in an arbitrary topological space)

The reason is this: take a closed set F. We have a continuous function f(x)=d(x,F). Notice that f^{-1}(0)=F.
Of course, we have that \{0\}=\bigcap_{n>0} ]-1/n,1/n[, thus

F=\bigcap_{n>0} f^{-1}(]-1/n,1/n[)
 
Thanks for the reply. I hope you can clarify a couple of points in your answer, however. When you say "We have a continuous function f(x)=d(x,F)," am I correct in saying that you mean d(x,F) = inf{d(x,f): f lying in F}?

Also, what do you mean by ]-1/n,1/n[ ? Is it something like an open neighbourhood of radius 1/n around the zero element, and if so, is there any reason why you write it that way as opposed to (-1/n, 1/n)?
 
lonewolf5999 said:
Thanks for the reply. I hope you can clarify a couple of points in your answer, however. When you say "We have a continuous function f(x)=d(x,F)," am I correct in saying that you mean d(x,F) = inf{d(x,f): f lying in F}?

Yes.

Also, what do you mean by ]-1/n,1/n[ ? Is it something like an open neighbourhood of radius 1/n around the zero element, and if so, is there any reason why you write it that way as opposed to (-1/n, 1/n)?

I meant (-1/n,1/n). But I always write ]-1/n,1/n[. It's an accepted notation.
 
Ok, thanks very much for the help and the quick reply!
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
502
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
3K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
4K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
5K