Closed Universe? Local H0 Measurements & Relativistic Corrections

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the implications of relativistic corrections in cosmological distance measurements, particularly in relation to the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) and local measurements of the Hubble constant (H0). Participants explore how these corrections might resolve existing tensions between different measurements of H0 and consider the possibility of a closed universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a paper suggesting that systematic lensing effects may lead to miscalculations in cosmological distances, potentially explaining the tension between local and cosmological H0 measurements.
  • One participant questions the percentage of CMB photons that reach Earth without interacting with matter, raising concerns about the distortion of CMB temperature and black body shape.
  • Another participant connects the discussion to previous work by Rees & Sciama, proposing that large density perturbations can affect the blue-shift of CMB photons as they traverse gravitational wells, with implications for how these effects accumulate.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the concept of gravitational wells becoming shallower due to expansion, indicating a need for further explanation of this phenomenon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views and remains unresolved, particularly regarding the implications of relativistic corrections and the nature of the universe's geometry.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the effects of gravitational lensing and the specific mechanisms by which expansion influences gravitational wells, indicating a reliance on various assumptions and definitions that are not fully articulated.

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In this paper; http://arxiv.org/abs/1405.7860, What is the distance to the CMB? How relativistic corrections remove the tension with local H0 measurements, it is suggested cosmological distance may be miscalculated due to failure to take into account systematic accumulation of lensing effects. The authors go on to suggest this may explain the tension between local and cosmological measurements of the Hubble constant and could mean the universe may, in fact, be closed.
 
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Interesting. Thanks, Chronos.
 
Thanks Chronos. I had wondered myself what percentage of the CMB photons make it to Earth without interacting with matter along the way and how much this distorts the CMB temperature and black body shape?
 
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I view this as consistent with Rees & Sciama [http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1968ApJ...153L...1R], who noted that large density perturbations interposed between the CMB surface and an observer can have an effect if the fluctuations change while photons traverse them. They experience more blue-shift infalling than when climbing out because expansion makes the wells shallower, giving rise to a net blue-shift of CMB photons. A similar effect can accumulate as photons pass through interposing gravitational lenses.
 
Chronos said:
... expansion makes the wells shallower ...

Can you elabort on how expansion makes a well shallower? (Wider I get, and steeper on the way in than on the way out, I understand.)

Thanks in advance.
 

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