Closure & Closed Sets in metric space

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The discussion revolves around the properties of closure and closed sets within the context of metric spaces. Participants are exploring how to formally prove two claims: that a set F is contained in its closure and that the closure of F is itself a closed set. The conversation includes attempts to clarify definitions and proofs related to these concepts.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 presents the definitions of closed sets and closure, along with two claims that need formal proof.
  • Post 2 suggests that to prove claim 1, one should find a sequence in F that converges to an element x in F.
  • Post 3 expresses confusion about how to show that an element x in F is the limit of a sequence in F and seeks further clarification on proving claim 2.
  • Post 4 proposes the use of constant sequences to demonstrate claim 1 and discusses the relationship between F and its limit points in the context of claim 2.
  • Post 5 provides a specific approach for claim 2, indicating how to construct a sequence from elements in F that converges to a limit in cl(F).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to prove the claims but express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the proofs. There is no consensus on the methods to be used, and multiple viewpoints on how to tackle the proofs are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working from definitions that may not be fully fleshed out in their source material, leading to uncertainty in their proofs. There are also unresolved steps in the mathematical reasoning presented.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students studying metric spaces, particularly those grappling with the concepts of closure and closed sets, as well as those seeking to understand formal proof techniques in mathematics.

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Definition: Let F be a subset of a metric space X. F is called closed if whenever is a sequence in F which converges to a E X, then a E F. (i.e. F contains all limits of sequences in F) The closure of F is the set of all limits of sequences in F.

Claim 1: F is contained in the clousre of F.
Claim 2: The closure of F is closed.


How can we prove these formally?

For claim 1, I think we have to show x E F => x E cl(F).
For claim 2, we need to prove that cl(F) contains all limits of sequences in cl(F).
But how can we prove these?

I know these are supposed to be basic facts, but my book never gives examples of how to prove these from the definitions given above...and I have no clue...
Any help is appreciated!
 
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For claim 1, yes, you want to show that if x is in F, then x is in the closure of F. For some element x in F, can you find a sequence in F that converges to x?

For claim 2, simply apply the definition of closure to what is being asked
 
1) So we have to show that if x E F, then x is the limit of a sequence in F??
How can we show it? I can't figure it out...

2) The closure of F is the set of all limits of sequences in F.
But we need to prove that cl(F)[/color] contains all limits of sequences in cl(F)[/color]. How?

Can somebody explain a little more, please?
Thanks!
 
(1) Think about constant sequences.

(2) Clearly cl(F) = F u F' where F' is the set of limit points of F. Use this and think about how 'adding' F' to F changes the sequences in F - all you are doing is 'completing' the sequences in F, you are not introducing anything new, so there would be no more potential limit points to consider.
 
(2) Let {c_n} be a convergent sequence in cl(F). We want to show that it has its limit in cl(F). We can find a sequence {a_n} of elements in F, such that for every n, d(a_n,c_n)<1/n (because c_n is the limit of some sequence in F). Therefore lim c_n = lim a_n in cl(F).
 

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