Closure of A is the smallest closed set containing A

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter mathboy
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Closed closure Set
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on proving the existence of the smallest closed set containing a subset A in a topological space X using Zorn's Lemma. The proof begins by defining S as the collection of all closed subsets of X that contain A, ordered by set containment. The argument demonstrates that every totally ordered subcollection of S has an upper bound in S, leading to the conclusion that S contains a maximal element, confirming the existence of the smallest closed set. However, it is also established that this smallest closed set is simply the intersection of all closed sets containing A, which is nonempty as it includes X.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of topological spaces
  • Familiarity with closed sets in topology
  • Knowledge of Zorn's Lemma
  • Basic set theory and ordering principles
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the application of Zorn's Lemma in various mathematical contexts
  • Explore the properties of closed sets in different topological spaces
  • Investigate the concept of maximal elements in partially ordered sets
  • Learn about intersections of sets and their implications in topology
USEFUL FOR

Mathematicians, particularly those specializing in topology, students studying advanced mathematics, and anyone interested in set theory and its applications in proving the existence of certain mathematical constructs.

mathboy
Messages
182
Reaction score
0
Ok, the proof looks simple since by definition Cl A = intersection of all closed sets containing A. And textbooks give a quick proof that we all understand, but I have a question: Don't we first have to prove that a smallest closed set containing A exists in the first place?

I'm trying to prove the existence using Zorn's Lemma...
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Here is the statement of my question:

Given a subset A in a topological space X, use Zorn's lemma to prove that there exists a smallest closed set containing A.

Let S be the collection of all closed subsets of X containing A. Partially order S by set containment, i.e. U < V iff U contains V. Let C = {B_i} be a totally ordered subcollection of S. Let B = intersection of all the B_i. Then B is an upper bound of C (since B is a subset of every B_i), and B is in S since B is a closed set containing A. Thus every totally ordered subcollection of S contains an upper bound in S so by Zorn's Lemma, S contains a maximal element, i.e. there exists a smallest closed set containing A.

Does that look right?
 
Last edited:
That's unnecessary. The smallest closed set containing A is the intersection of all closed sets containing A. Since A sits in a topological space X, the collection of closed sets containing it is nonempty - it contains X - so the intersection of all the members of this collection makes sense.
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
710
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K