Closure of constant function 1 on the complex set

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the topological closure of the constant function 1 within the context of complex functions defined on a closed interval. Participants explore how to demonstrate that this closure encompasses all complex constant functions, examining the implications of closure in a vector space of functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about how to show that the topological closure of the constant function 1 is all constant functions on the specified domain.
  • Others suggest that the closure refers to the smallest closed subspace containing the constant function, which they argue is the span of constant functions.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the proof and the definition of topological closure as presented in a video, seeking a clearer explanation.
  • Some participants assert that the closure of the function 1 itself is just the function 1, while others challenge this by stating that it must be the closure of the subspace spanned by that function.
  • One participant attempts to reframe the question by considering the vector space of functions and how to apply the definition of topological closure to demonstrate the claim.
  • A later reply disputes the assertion that all constant functions are the closure of the constant function 1, indicating a disagreement on the interpretation of closure.
  • Another participant reflects on the lecturer's terminology, suggesting that the lecturer's use of "closure" may refer to the closure of the subspace spanned by the vector rather than the function itself.
  • A participant provides a proof involving orthogonal complements to show that the set of constant functions corresponds to the closure in question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the topological closure of the constant function 1. Some believe it is solely the function 1, while others argue it encompasses all constant functions. The discussion remains unresolved, with competing interpretations of the closure concept.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of definitions and assumptions regarding topological closure and the nature of function spaces, which contribute to the confusion among participants.

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How can we find that the topological closure of the 1 constant function?
I'm watching this video to which discusses how to find the domain of the self-adjoint operator for momentum on a closed interval.



At moment 46:46 minutes above we consider the constant function 1

$$f:[0,2\pi] \to \mathbb{C}$$
$$f(x)=1$$

The question is that:

How can we show that the topological closure of the 1 function : $$\overline{\{1\}}$$ is all the complex constant functions on the domain above?

Put it another way, how can we show that a constant function can be a limit of a series of 1 function?
 
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victorvmotti said:
The question is that:

How can we show that the topological closure of the 1 function : $$\overline{\{1\}}$$ is all the complex constant functions on the domain above?

Put it another way, how can we show that a constant function can be a limit of a series of 1 function?
This ##\overline{\{1\}}## means the smallest closed subspace that contains ##\{1\}##, which is all constant functions.
 
Sorry still not clear. I need a sort of easy to follow proof if possible. When we put a bar on a set, according to the video, we mean the topological closure, or that there exists a series with the limit equal to constant functions. But this is not clear for me.
 
victorvmotti said:
Sorry still not clear. I need a sort of easy to follow proof if possible. When we put a bar on a set, according to the video, we mean the topological closure, or that there exists a series with the limit equal to constant functions. But this is not clear for me.
It must be the topological closure of the subspace spanned by that function. The closure of a single function is just the function.
 
Let me ask the question another way.

Consider the vector space of functions from a real interval to complex numbers.

If this vector space is seen as a topological space how can we apply the definition of the topological closure to show that the topological closure of the constant function 1, sending the interval to complex number 1, is the span of it.

In other words, why is that all the constant functions in this vector space is the topological closure of the constant function 1?
 
victorvmotti said:
In other words, why is that all the constant functions in this vector space is the topological closure of the constant function 1?

It isn't.
 
So the lecturer is wrong?

I also thought that only the function 1 is the topological closure of the function 1.

And this claim confused me.
 
victorvmotti said:
So the lecturer is wrong?

I also thought that only the function 1 is the topological closure of the function 1.

And this claim confused me.
By "closure" he means "closure of the subspace spanned by the vector". Also, he says that the closure is the complement of the complement. Here he means "orthogonal complement of the orthogonal complement".

He's just using these terms as abbreviations.
 
Thanks for the reassurance. Now it makes sense.
 
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victorvmotti said:
Thanks for the reassurance. Now it makes sense.
If this takes so long to convince you, then how did you cope with the rest of the lecture?
 
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The rest was pretty clear. But this part what is written was not the same as what was said! Hence the confusion.
The closure of the "span" of the function 1 is all the constant functions. But as written on the blackboard it shows that as if the closure of the function 1 itself is all the constant functions.
 
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Here is the proof.

We show that ##(\{1\}^\perp)^\perp =## the set of constants functions on ##[0,1]##.

One inclusion:

If ##c## is any constant and ##\int_0^1 1 \cdot \bar{f} = 0##, then ##\int_0^1 f \cdot \bar{c} = \overline{ c \int_0^1 1 \cdot \bar{f}} = 0##.

This shows all constants functions are contained in ##(\{1\}^\perp)^\perp##.

The other inclusion:

Suppose that ##g \in (\{1\}^\perp)^\perp##.

Now consider ##h = g - \int_0^1 g \in \{1\}^\perp##

Note that ##\langle h, h \rangle=\langle h, g-c \rangle=\langle h, g \rangle- \langle h,c \rangle##, where ##c= \int_{0}^{1}g##

##\langle h, g \rangle=0##.

##\langle h, c \rangle = \langle g-c, c \rangle =0##.

##\langle h, h \rangle =0##.

##h=0##

##g=c##

This shows all functions contained in ##(\{1\}^\perp)^\perp## are constant functions.
 

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