Allowed values for the "differentiability limit" in complex analysis

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The discussion revolves around the concept of differentiability in complex analysis, specifically questioning the allowed values for the "differentiability limit" and the conditions under which a point can be considered for differentiability. Participants explore the relationship between the closure of a function's domain and the points at which differentiability can be assessed, as well as the implications of topological structures on these definitions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that differentiability at a point ##z_0## requires that ##z_0## be in the domain of the function ##f##, not just in the closure of the domain, as the function value ##f(z_0)## must exist.
  • Others discuss the definition of limits in the context of topological spaces, suggesting that the allowed points for differentiability may relate to limit points of the domain.
  • One participant emphasizes that while limits can be defined using topological structures, differentiability involves additional requirements that may not be purely topological.
  • There is a mention of the similarity between complex and real derivatives, highlighting that both use limits defined through quotients, but the implications of these definitions differ in terms of domain requirements.
  • A later reply questions whether the operations involved in differentiability, which are not part of the topological structure, affect the validity of the original question regarding the differentiability limit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement on whether points in the closure of the domain can be considered for differentiability, with some insisting on the necessity of the point being in the domain itself. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of topological structures on differentiability limits.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the definitions and requirements for differentiability may depend on the specific topological properties of the spaces involved, which introduces complexity into the discussion.

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In complex analysis differentiability for a function ##f## at a point ##z_0## in the interior of the domain of ##f## is defined as the existence of the limit
$$ \lim_{h\rightarrow{}0}\frac{f(z_0+h)-f(z_0)}{h}.$$
But why are the possible ##z_0##'s in the closure of the domain of the original function? And what are the possible "candidates" for this limit?

I know that for a function ##f:A\rightarrow{}B##, where the domain ##A## is a subset of some topological space ##X## and the image ##B## is a subset of some other topological space ##Y##, the limit as ##x## approaches ##x_0## of ##f(x)## equals some ##L##, i.e.
$$ \lim_{x\rightarrow{}x_0}f(x)=L, $$
if and only if for all neighborhoods ##V## of ##L## there exists a neighborhood ##U## of ##x_0## such that ##f(U\cap{}A-\{x_0\})\subseteq{}V\cap{}B##.

In this case ##x_0## is required to be a limit point of ##A## and ##L## in the closure of ##B##.

So are the allowed ##z_0##'s in the expression above limit points of something (i.e. is the interior of the domain of the original function equal to the set of limit points of something)? And are the allowed values of the "differentiability limit" in the closure of something else?

I know the definition of limits for a function only requires that both the domain and the image be subsets of some topological spaces, which means that I could define limits for complex-valued functions of a complex variable just from the topological structure of ##\mathbb{C}##. However, differentiability requires more structure, right? From the reverse perspective, differentiability in complex analysis involves some operations, which are not part of the topological structure of ##\mathbb{C}##. So does my question about the allowed values for the "differentiability limit" even make sense?
 
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Complex derivatives are defined in the same way as real derivatives using Newton quotients. The only difference is that one uses real arithmetic while the other uses complex arithmetic.
 
V0ODO0CH1LD said:
In complex analysis differentiability for a function ##f## at a point ##z_0## in the interior of the domain of ##f## is defined as the existence of the limit
$$ \lim_{h\rightarrow{}0}\frac{f(z_0+h)-f(z_0)}{h}.$$
But why are the possible ##z_0##'s in the closure of the domain of the original function? And what are the possible "candidates" for this limit?
This makes no sense. You can take a limit as you approach a point in the closure of the domain but in order to find the derivative, f(z_0) itself must exist so z_0 must be in the domain of f, not just in its closure.
 
As HallsofIvy said, in the definition of a derivative, the limit is special kind of limit because the function involved (which is \frac{ f(z0 + h) - f(z_0)}{h} ) contains the term f(z_0) explicitly.

In contrast to taking a limit of f(z) , the function used in the definition of the derivative requires that f(z_0) exists. This is by the convention that the existence of a limit of a function that's defined in terms of several parts implies the parts themselves exist.

For example the existence of lim_{h \rightarrow a}\ (g(b + h) + g(c) + k) implies that a,b,g(c), k exist. It does not imply that g(b+h) exists for all values of h.
 
V0ODO0CH1LD said:
I know the definition of limits for a function only requires that both the domain and the image be subsets of some topological spaces, which means that I could define limits for complex-valued functions of a complex variable just from the topological structure of ##\mathbb{C}##. However, differentiability requires more structure, right? From the reverse perspective, differentiability in complex analysis involves some operations, which are not part of the topological structure of ##\mathbb{C}##. So does my question about the allowed values for the "differentiability limit" even make sense?

But notice that division in the Real case, or in the ## \mathbb R^n ## case is not part of the topological structure of ## \mathbb R^n## either. (though for n>1 we use the Euclidean n-norm), and this does not create any problem.
 

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