(note: I posted this here instead of the Biology forum because the topic involves heavy quantum concepts that mere biologists can't handle) I read PF Mentor Ryan_m_b mentioned elsewhere that "Discussing quantum effects in biology is not a banned topic on this forum, however threads that degenerate into discussions that link quantum mind theories with solutions to the hard problem of consciousness do so with no basis especially when they link to people who claim that quantum minds prove some aspect of spirituality." I understand the above and forum rules. And so the materials I'm presenting doesn't have to do with mind theories. These were the original research by Del Giudice and other biophysicists that started these quantum coherence thing in living system, therefore if we want to debunk the idea once and for all. We need to see their original work, understand it and shatter it from there. Dozens of Del Giudice works are peer reviewed but we don't have access to all of them, but the following two will suffice. Hope someone can read them, comment and once and for all state whether these have any basis, if not, then years from now.. these would vanish.. or if ignored, it would spread into the next generation. Remember these were where it all began. http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0812/0812.0275.pdf http://www.bion.si/gradiva-objave/Del_Giudice.pdf I want to know. Are coherence domain in living systems real? If not. What is the error in Del Giudice analysis? Hope someone can settle this once and for all. Thanks.